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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#1 - 2013-05-08 14:26:14 UTC
I must first state that all that I say here is me, my opinions, my thoughts. I do not speak for Electus Matari, I do not speak for my Clan, Tribe, or Corporation, just for myself, Avlynka Tarkja Surionen.

Yesterday was the single worst day of my life. I imagine, for most of us, it will be the worst day we ever experience.

We did not even have time to mourn our Chief before we were called to action against our ally in her name. So much of this, so much of the whole scenario, is so wrong, on so many levels.

We begged our fleet to return home; I did, anyway. Even had that battle been won, what of the next? To charge into a battle that cannot be won, in the name of vengeance for a woman who would never seek it? Why?

I made a choice. I chose to stand with my kin, my friends and family and corporation, and to fight. I fought because I could not leave. I was there. The fight started. My kin were fighting those who are not my kin. My choice was made.

And now, instead of mourning one death, my nation, my people, mourn tens of thousands.

I do not know what comes next, save many funerals, a long period of sorrow.

I do know what must not come next; more funerals.


"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-08 14:37:05 UTC
"Mourn the dead, but live for those alive". Those were the words of my first commanding officer after a specially dark moment in my life. It's a lesson your nation, your navy, your corporation and your friends need to learn. Yesterday, you lived for the dead, and that always leads to more death, injustice, and sorrow. You killed those who weren't meant to die, and lost those who should have been elsewhere.

And there is no way to turn the back on those things, no way to atone for it. It eats you up inside.

You failed. You followed a rogue leader on flawed orders. And that is now written in History with blood.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#3 - 2013-05-08 14:55:51 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:


I do know what must not come next; more funerals.



Truer words were never spoken.
We will have to live with our actions, and we can only learn from the past.

Fear not this night. You will not go astray. Though shadows fall still the stars find their way.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-08 15:01:39 UTC
We have experienced sorrow that no people should ever have to endure.

Although that I am sure must feel, Ava, that there is an insuperable void between us even in this age of jump bridges, and although I do not know that you would believe me when I fail to attend on any planned social function between us, please know this.

When you mourn, Ava, so must I with you.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-08 15:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I feel like a chump for all those years of liking the Republic, but I guess that's what they mean when they say you never really know someone until the chips are down.

Thanks for the sentiment, Ava, I guess. Nice to know that some people at least felt bad about it while they were pulling the trigger. At least we know where one another stands. Now I've got to go buy a dress for a funeral for a friend.

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(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#6 - 2013-05-08 15:18:50 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
...You failed. You followed a rogue leader on flawed orders. And that is now written in History with blood.


Against my better judgement I opened this channel. When I saw Ava's posting I decided to read it because I knew it would be thoughtful. Thank you, Sister, for expressing what so many of us are feeling now.

As to you imperials; go **** yourselves. Within your so-called "sympathies" there's always got to be a jab doesn't there?

Don't go preaching to us from your self-appointed position of moral superiority. Your leaders aren't infallible either. The last time you people followed a rogue leader giving flawed orders you got yourselves slaughtered at Vak'Atioth. You recall that little incident don't you?

Just for once can't you jackals leave us alone to grieve and to sort out our affairs without the hypocritical finger pointing and lecturing? Please?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-08 15:38:42 UTC
We can hold hands, cry, and be sorry but that isn't going to do much. What everyone needs to do now is make sure this doesn't happen again, by any means necessary.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-05-08 16:18:27 UTC
It must be terrible.
Adreena Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
#9 - 2013-05-08 16:30:58 UTC
There's no glory in what we've done, neither pride or joy. It's a stain on Karin Midular's legacy. I'll mourn the dead, and whatever hope was left just a few hours ago.

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#10 - 2013-05-08 16:36:24 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
It must be terrible.


Take your jabs.

We've earned them.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#11 - 2013-05-08 16:37:50 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
It must be terrible.


Take your jabs.

We've earned them.


I have none, I'm dissappointed in you Avlynka.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#12 - 2013-05-08 16:39:05 UTC
I am getting more and more worried every hour when these tragic news keep flowing in. FIrst the shooting of Midular, then the whole dispute over the shooter between Gallente and Minmatar, now this battle and the racially charged assaults on Matari in Federation territory. If this escalates into a full-on war between Gallenteans and Matari, we will all be doomed.

Ava, I see a lot of blood, screams and death every day in my line of work, but I still can not imagine the amount of sorrow you are going through right now. My heart goes out to you and your people, and I offer my deepest and most sincere condolances. The fact that you even tried a peaceful resolution is good already, and you were not responsible for the decision to attack Gallente forces.

Now that the dust has settled over the battlefield, all that is left to do is mourn the dead, and prevent this going any worse.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-05-08 16:43:11 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
It must be terrible.


Take your jabs.

We've earned them.


It was not a jab.
Terenius Neo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-08 17:01:48 UTC
I am very surprised how eloquent all of you are able to respond on Starfires words.

Day by day I read the news...
Luminaire, the Ray of Matar now or the immortal soldiers before... things are in flow.

I really can't say how it must be for the Minmatar to loose its Chief. Or better, I couldn't before the battle in Colelie happened and still I can't feel this much pain on the death of Karin Midular like the Minmatars do. Honestly I doubt anyone truly can except them.

The only thing I can ask myself is, what would we Gallente do, if our symbol would be lost in such a brutal way and to be honest again, there isn't such a person in the Federation in my eyes.

There is just one simple truth to say, the Ray of Matar may be dead. But the Republic, the Tribes and all Minmatar aren't and how a friend of mine would say,... thank god they aren't.

I hope Karin Midular rests in peace, that her legacy will remain and her name remembered in the distant future.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-05-08 17:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sepherim
Anabella Rella wrote:
As to you imperials; go **** yourselves. Within your so-called "sympathies" there's always got to be a jab doesn't there?


You can continue to paint me with your broad "imperial psycopath-oppressor-enslaver" brooch if you like. You can review my posts and you'll see I only take jabs when they are deserved. I decry against this invasion of Gallente space, yes, but there were no irony nor sarcasm in my words of respect for the Ray of Matar. If you just took a moment to see the person riting, and not the stereotype you want to see, you might find out that, in the end, we're not so different.

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Don't go preaching to us from your self-appointed position of moral superiority. Your leaders aren't infallible either. The last time you people followed a rogue leader giving flawed orders you got yourselves slaughtered at Vak'Atioth. You recall that little incident don't you?

Vak'Athioth happend how many years ago? Oh, yes, more than a hundred years ago.

Now, on the other side of the balance: invasion of the Bleak Lands by the Defiants not 6 years ago, invasion of the Bleak Lands by the Defiants again shortly after, destruction of the Yulai CONCORD station, invasion of Amarr space, and now invasion of Gallente space.

As you can see, the balance has long ago tipped on our favor. We have the moral highground on this point not because we're great, but because the Republic continues to follow leaders unworthy that can only seek blood. So much that the Defiant leader had to be put down by the Republic itself.

Yet, I know all of these words are wasted on you, are they not? You'll go back to "you did it worse hundreds of years ago and still hold slaves" and be blind to your own faults.

[quote]Just for once can't you jackals leave us alone to grieve and to sort out our affairs without the hypocritical finger pointing and lecturing? Please?


Ironically, this is the second time I've seen you ask for this thing. And yet, when topics relating to the Amarr are opened, you are soon to post on them. So please, leave such obvious hypocrisy: this is an open international channel, if a Minmatarr alone discussion was wanted there are other places to post it than the Intergalactic Summit.

And, before it's noted, I apologize on derailing this thread. But if someone looks for a fight with me, I can't help but stand up to him. So, my apologies.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#16 - 2013-05-08 17:56:10 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Yesterday was the single worst day of my life. I imagine, for most of us, it will be the worst day we ever experience.


This is false, Ava. I think you know as well as I the worst is yet to come.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-05-08 18:30:02 UTC
I think everyone who has been put in the position of having to carry out a distasteful order understands the pressure placed on Shaman Starfire and the rest of Electus Matari.

But Mr Shutaq is correct. The weeping has only just begun.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#18 - 2013-05-09 06:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
I find it distasteful that you two talk about the future as though it has already been written in stone. Still, I suppose it never hurts to be cautious and act prudent.



As for Ava and the rest of my friends in the Republic, I offer my condolences. I cannot claim to understand how you all must feel right now because that would be a blatant lie. I can only hope these events cause a ripple wave of contemplation on some greater issues facing your respective societies so that something like this does not happen again. Cold Wind watch over you.

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Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
#19 - 2013-05-09 09:47:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I think everyone who has been put in the position of having to carry out a distasteful order understands the pressure placed on Shaman Starfire and the rest of Electus Matari.

But Mr Shutaq is correct. The weeping has only just begun.


I was military for many years. So I know for fact that there are always options available when you believe the order is unlawful. Are they always good options? No. But even soldiers have a choice - to say nothing of capsuleers.

I won't fault them for standing with their family - I would have done the same thing. But I will forever fault them for following orders to breach the territory of their ally and going weapons free. They knew their actions were immoral and unlawful. They cannot claim that they didn't know violating sovereign territory with a hostile force was unlawful.

They could have stayed on the other side of the border. They could have held fire. But they didn't. The Republic was given the option to withdraw. Instead they wasted 24 dreadnaughts.

I mourn the passing of Karin Midular.

I mourn the future of those under the men and women who gave these orders more.
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2013-05-10 14:14:46 UTC
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