Jita Park Speakers Corner

For the sake of clarity, I will explain what i mean with "casual friendly endgame gameplay".

Endgame gameplay: a content which once the player is able to use, is going to keep his interest for a continuous period of time.

For an instance: sovereignty wars, T2 manufacturing, advanced trading, WH operations.

Casual friendly: a content that can be fully enjoyed in discrete, small amounts of time.


"Casual friendly endgame" is like buliding one of those large model ships that take thousands of hours to complete: they can be advanced through tasks that require only little amounts of time, and yet the whole project will keep the modeller entertained for years. Albeit EVE is about burning sbdy else's ship with gasoline half way to completion, I hope you get the idea...

Drone clones do the dangerous stufff.

And only 100% safe stuff happens when the real capsuleer is personally involved.

Social environments are enough motivation for the people who are interested in space barbies. It's like mining: just because you don't like it doesn't mean nobody likes it.

In EVE, risk is that thing some players must endure because of the risk-free actions of other players.

~deal with it~

Not if content must be manually uploaded by CCP as a part of client updates. Then, each now and then, they check whatever they're putting in their server.

Incarna in highsec should resemble the scene on the Tantive IV at the beginning of ANH, scaled up to accommodate the giant hangers . Give us 1000+ players fighting it out across a large concourse or hanger, optionally gunning down innocent bystanders and NPCs. Also, I need to be able to walk up to your precious L4 agent and shoot him in the face, causing you to have to wait days to turn in your mission while the NPC corp sents a replacement. Which I can also kill.

In lowsec, it needs to be even more violent.

Oh, and given that there are stupid people in this game who like to fly around with PLEx in their cargo holds, we should have the option to walk around in stations carrying isk. Said muppets should be able to be ganked and their isk stolen. Evolve things like drug dealing to make it worthwhile to be carrying the isk if you're careful, too.

Brainstorm Ideas for Incarna

I believe Incarna has the potential to be a great part of EVE, and I hope CCP will never give up on it. I have read all of the posts before me. There are a lot of creative and very interesting ideas.

For example, multi-avatar social contents mentioned by many posters like Arduemont in #31 is a great idea. It will open up many avenues for gameplay as you have players closely and "physically" interacting with each other.


Three Criteria for Incarna

From what I understand, we need ideas that fulfill three criteria:

Criterion 1: Contribute to players’ sense of immersion in the story and mythology of EVE

Criterion 2: Add value to the gameplay, ideally affecting interaction between players in the larger picture of EVE universe

Criterion 3: At least at this stage, not too labor-intensive for the developers so that it will not compromised their focus on the “in-space” aspects of the game.


So I should start with my first suggestion.

1. Out-of-pod Missions

As mentioned by Scatim in #8, the Incarna aspect of EVE should focus "around implementing actual gameplay and things for players to do". There should be reasons for capsuleers to step out of their ship, and I think having out-of-pod missions is one way to do that.

There was a game called Space Ranger 2 by 1C Company. It shares EVE's premise as an open-ended universe where players choose their gameplay experience. It has very addictive missions that are both fun and story-driven.

So in EVE, when pilots are docked in stations, they should be offered a mission that has to be executed not in space, but on the station or the nearby moon or planet.

Realizing this idea of course can dangerously oppose Criterion 3.

In the future, we would love to see these mission to be animated in details. But for a start, there is no need for it to be heavily-animated in order to make it work. In the game I mentioned, they implemented text-based gameplay as a strategy; some drawings to ignite players imagination, and texts with humorous and engaging storyline.

And if you play the game, it worked really well!

For EVE, with the talents that CCP has, the mission window can be filled with beautiful concept art portraits, enriched with background sound effects to add to players' imagination and immersion, with minimal animations. This hopefully will be easier to achieve compared to full-fledged Dust 514 on stations and ships (which I dream will become a reality some day).

Surely the writing has to be excellent, perhaps by someone like Tony Gonzales, the author of EVE: Templar One. If done well, this will undoubtedly fulfill Criterion 1.

Also, as nicely said by Indahmawar in #4, this aspect of the game is an opportunity to create fascinating contents for different kind of new audience, as well as for existing casual EVE players.

Criterion 2 can be satisfied through the rewards awarded by those missions. Missions can offer, for instance, “lost technology” as mentioned by Scatim in #8 which will reward players with temporary bonuses to ship performance.

For example, along with ISK, the mission will also reward an "unstable Jovian device" that improve 15% of weapons damage for 10 hrs from the moment it is installed. Consequently, this will add temporary wild-card (rare but high-impact events) into PvP gameplay in space combats.


Anyway, I have to get back to my study, I'll continue this later. Thanks Two Step and CSM for listening to our ideas .

As for everyone else, even though we may disagree with some of other people's suggestions, I don’t believe we should shoot them down. Keep in mind that these are not refined ideas. They are more of brainstorming intuitions that may be slightly out of the box. Hopefully we will eventually spark ideas that CCP dev team can work with.

I like the way Mara put it in #46



So keep your creativity flowing and have fun

Perhaps you do, but for all the talk of bringing in these grand new features that were going to shake up eve forever, the CCP plan for WiS before last autumn's shake up was 1) testing the WoD engine and 2) selling us trinkets and baubles for real money through the NeX store. Its unfortunate that like many others that you fell for the hype and actually believed that CCP ever intended to introduce these things as meaningful features, but it's probably time we all moved on. Even CCP themselves have, hence Torfi's talk at Fanfest on going back to square one, abandoning the previous announcements of the 'features' WiS would contain (mostly consisting of different types of rooms we could all stand around in while showing off our Aurum purchases and no signs of any tools to sculpt the sandbox with), and working on some actual gameplay.

A couple thoughts

Given the amount of artwork that has been generated for dust (including building interiors) will CCP be looking for opportunities to reuse some of this content in Incarna? I mean a wall is a wall regardless of if it is on the ground or in space. This could be a way to allow development of Incarna to continue, without requiring huge amounts
of the art departments time.

I think that the exploration type gameplay is very promising, as in addition to being an exciting sounding feature, it also allows CCP to introduce new limited run modules (such as the ones that are coming with Inferno).

Also I think social areas should be considered, as they would provide a method for new players to meet other players and eventually join their corps.

Also it might be worthwhile asking CCP if future iterations of Incarna will be rolled out as an optional beta, that players can opt into.

Finally, I think that a players appearance in Incarna should reflect their achievements in EVE. Allow players to purchase pirate tattoos using loyalty points. Faction warefare players should be able to purchase militia uniforms using the same method. Players with a high standing should be able to access better versions of the captains quarters as it seems appropriate that a corporation would seek to reward a high performing player in this way.