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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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#221 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:42
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:


Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!


Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere?


Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE?


why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on.
"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..."
:: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Triumvirate.
#222 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:42
Sturmwolke wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:

I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.


They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything.


The context (if it wasn't already apparent) was Incarna related teams vs classic EVE teams.

/me facepalms

You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.
Get
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Gallente Federation
#223 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:48  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
Grey Stormshadow wrote:

You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.



Absolutly.

Go back 3 years in time and see if anyone complained about Incarna back then. A good idea that sadly was executed in the worst possible ways. It's still a good idea.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
#224 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:49
Aston Bradley wrote:
And why not both?


The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel.
"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..."
:: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
C C P Alliance
#225 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:51
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager
Gallente Federation
#226 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:51
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Aston Bradley wrote:
And why not both?


The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel.



Oh i am sure the dust team will be more than enough to put it back on it's feet.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
Triumvirate.
#227 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:54  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Aston Bradley wrote:
And why not both?


The last two years showed why not. They cant. Even with more personnel.

Yep... I can't think any other company what would present playable tech demo to their customers, ditch it down to drain and start building new one from scratch, only to realize that the end product is total piece of junk :)

It really takes skills and eventually will make Incarna compete about the NukeDukem "forever"-title. Only few more years to go.
Get
Play with the best - Die like the rest
Gallente Federation
#228 Posted: 2011.10.25 15:57
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.



And i am looking forward to them. Going back to FiS is a very good move.

Still, i hope you guys won't put WiS in a box, Wrap it in tape, put it in a safe, add chains to it, and burry it deep underground.

And from the recent interviews, that seems to be your plan.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
#229 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:00
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:


Uber idea! We need Texas Hold 'em in EVE Online, WiS rocks!


Why not just open a browser window and log onto a proper poker site? Why have CCP divert resources from WiS/FiS to provide something which is already provided for elsewhere?


Okay... well, why don't you go play "other" space games and not EVE?


why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on.


Respectfully, although you repeat that point often, it is not correct.

They cannot continue development the way the have in the past, this includes development of classic FIS EVE content. Hilmars interview pointed out many serious issues with how development (including the process of getting feedback from the community, and the level of effort and time required to keep the various teams/locations in sync) resources were not being utilized effectively. Even with FIS content they have been digging the hole of unfinished content deeper and deeper over the years, and it's starting to have a serious negative effect.

The truth is that on all levels they need to change HOW they have been doing things. Much of the necessary restructuring has been done or is currently underway (regretfully at the cost of many good employees), and the benefits are starting to show already.

Bottom line: Developing Incarna did not do the damage to CCP. HOW they went about doing it did.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,  out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set as the rest of the player base.
#230 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:00  |  Edited by: Chaniqua TicTic
I want ships and a working game before even looking at walking in space. I want every single expansion so far to be looked at and finished. Nearly every single expansion has something unfinished, bugged, or just plain wrong with it. FIX THIS!

Instead of cannibalizing EVE as a testbed for your other games, focus on what makes EVE good. One of your devs (in the fearless magazine) referenced EVE as the goose the lays golden eggs for your company, remember this and treat it as such.
Amarr Empire
#231 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:08
I for one hope that CCP puts at least part of their development team on WiS. Maybe just 1 team dedicated to it. The potential for WiS is so awesome, even if it never gets used for more than a glorified lobby where people can sit at a bar or balcony and talk. Slowly add small features to it, not full-blown expansions. Every month add a little bit. A few Agents here and there, maybe add a balcony where you can see the Empress Jamyl in the distance with a full ensemble of guards and spectators.

I don't roleplay, at least not in the sense that true RPers do. What I do is I look at the environment and back story, and connect myself with it so I have a more meaningful experience. Maybe give us the ability to speak with our lvl 4 agents "off the grid" to get some secret missions with dark political implications. The potential here is so enormous it's no wonder you haven't built anything for it. Where do you start?

Start small! Get us the multi-player aspect, with some NPC run bars and NPC's walking around in the distance to give it some feeling of life. Then give us something else that's small in the next patch. Then something small in the next. Give a general focus to what you want us to eventually have, and just put pieces here and there.

Give us something! I hate to see this technology show up and then the code start collecting dust like what happened to FW. I don't want to wait however many years those FW guys have been waiting, just to see another iteration on WiS.

Give everybody what they want. Give us our WiS, even in small pieces. Focus on FiS, as you should. It's what everybody wants to some degree. But there's a lot of us out there that want WiS just as bad.

CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone!
Mmm, I love the smell of pod goo in the morning.
#232 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:21
Sturmwolke wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:

I play this game for the core Eve classic gameplay (as do most other players). Incarna, regardless of content, is just a side distraction - the icing on a cake. It will never be be treated as the core game because then you'll be having CCP maintain two distinct teams (due to the technical differences) to support & develop both features. It gets expensive. In time, they will have to choose between one or the other - from the cost vs returns standpoint.


They already maintain a number of distinct teams working on a number of different aspects of EVE, it's not just 1 group of developers working on everything.


The context (if it wasn't already apparent) was Incarna related teams vs classic EVE teams.

/me facepalms


And what I'm saying, it's not any different in how they structure their development staff now if it wasn't apparent.
Gallente Federation
#233 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:38
Phantom Slave wrote:

CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone!



Well... To be fair we'll get all 4 CQ's soon.

I would say the next step should be to let us invite friends to our CQ if we happen to be on same station.

The whole point of incarna is to give us a tool to socialize. In that, incarna was a total fail.

I always compare the concept of incarna to the playstation's home social network. This is a good exemple of what icarna can bring to the table.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
Gentlemen's Agreement
#234 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:39
Can't plz anybody.....................


"we want WiS!!!!!!!"

"we want FiS!!!!!!!"

"we want WiS!!!!!!!"

ugg. Like a 2 year old. Maybe we should tell CCP what we like and leave it at that and be content. They are never going to plz everyone.......... I hope they don't even try to as thats how games die. Just look at any other MMO company thats tried to.

I think the OP is being slightly melo dramatic. Yes WiS needs some more development. But CCP can't do everything at once. Things need to be prioritized. and right now it's FiS.

You can't always have everything you want when you want it. You have to make some compromises.
Caldari State
#235 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:41
What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?

Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?

Why even bother spending resources on that?

I'm glad CCP spent resource on a workable FP avatar model like Dust than expanding CQ into walking around empty station.

Abadon WiS.
Caldari State
#236 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:43
Abaddon WiS now!
Gallente Federation
#237 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:45  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
Satav wrote:


You can't always have everything you want when you want it. You have to make some compromises.



Than i suggest your read it again.

OP refers to interviews that suggest that WiS isn't being our of the priority list of even post-poned. Rather it seems that CCP intends to burry the whole project. There might be some missinterpretation there, but unless it is denied that seems to be the plan.

As you said, you have to make some compromises.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
Minmatar Republic
#238 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:46
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i have a post about how they could do WiS as a mini mmo inside of eve with its own income to support being on a diff sever as to not take away from the the FiS server resources


that's what they were allready doing...
#239 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:47
Aston Bradley wrote:

And i am looking forward to them. Going back to FiS is a very good move.

Still, i hope you guys put WiS in a box, Wrap it in tape, put it in a safe, add chains to it, and burry it deep underground.

And from the recent interviews, that seems to be your plan.


I Agree
"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..."
:: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Gallente Federation
#240 Posted: 2011.10.25 16:50  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
Astor Daeoli wrote:
What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?

Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?

Why even bother spending resources on that?



As an in station trader i have to facepalm that. Depsite common belief, eve isn't just pew pew in space. Trading has at the very least, one half of the cut.

While i am managing my contracts and sales, walking around Jita that will be overpopulated with other traders like myself, is a VERY welcome feature.
FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again!
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