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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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#2101 - 2014-01-21 23:40:47 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Based on the cost of this ship, I cannot for the life of me see a use for this ship.

A fully fit carrier will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. A T2 logi will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. Domis could be fit to provide the same role, but less range; but at a significant drop in cost.

The only thing I see this ship being used for is gank bait.


only use i see so far is multibox incursion vg armor fleets ^^
Minmatar Republic
#2102 - 2014-01-22 00:36:30 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Based on the cost of this ship, I cannot for the life of me see a use for this ship.

A fully fit carrier will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. A T2 logi will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. Domis could be fit to provide the same role, but less range; but at a significant drop in cost.

The only thing I see this ship being used for is gank bait.


only use i see so far is multibox incursion vg armor fleets ^^



Incursions and Tournaments.

Mainly becasue they are both price-is-not-an issue scenarios.
#2103 - 2014-01-22 02:02:31 UTC
Many fewls and their $2-billion+ ISK Nestors are soon to be parted...

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#2104 - 2014-01-22 07:33:39 UTC
I actually like the ship, i like how it looks, i like its stats and what i intend to do with it. But i'm not going to buy this ship anytime soon. A replacement T2 Cruiser that i might want to buy when my current 10 ones of the same type are popped, rates higher then buying this ship.

With a pricerange that looks like it would become the same price as a carrier, once things have settled down, the uses of this ship, compared to traditional logistics already in place will make it a poor choice for me.

Still its so pretty... Perhaps i will buy one soonish... Station spinning ftw!
Caldari State
#2105 - 2014-01-22 09:27:06 UTC
Kesthely wrote:

With a pricerange that looks like it would become the same price as a carrier, once things have settled down,...

Even when being extremely optimistic , I will still expect you will be able to buy 2 carriers for the price on 1 Nestor, when prices settle.

Though, it is becoming more and more obvious that CCP needs to introduce other ways to obtain Nestor BPCs, if they ever want the ship to be used in any capacity. Either it will be through DED complexes, like pirate faction ships, FW store, like empire faction ships (unlikely), or Ghost Sites.

Of course, this will make a laugh out of all the drones that are currently grinding SOE LP.

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#2106 - 2014-01-22 12:28:32 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Based on the cost of this ship, I cannot for the life of me see a use for this ship.

A fully fit carrier will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. A T2 logi will cost less than this ship and provide better reps. Domis could be fit to provide the same role, but less range; but at a significant drop in cost.

The only thing I see this ship being used for is gank bait.


only use i see so far is multibox incursion vg armor fleets ^^


Armor marauders do the same thing just better in a RR setup(more dps, more powerful capacitors). Same is true for WH stuff, even after the rubicon changes, that where a plain nerf for this kind of uses.

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Caldari State
#2107 - 2014-01-22 15:00:47 UTC
So we are all waiting for that first Nestor killmail?
#2108 - 2014-01-22 19:01:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Livingston
I hope Rise, or anyone from CCP, pops in to give us an update on the Nestor. Seems like there's still a lot of contention surrounding the design and I'd really like to know if they're planning on releasing it in the current form, or if they're still investigating possible designs.

Considering the silence, it seems unlikely that it's going to receive additional changes before 1.1, unless they hold off the Nestor's release until the next patch cycle.
#2109 - 2014-01-22 20:55:58 UTC
Steph Livingston wrote:
I hope Rise, or anyone from CCP, pops in to give us an update on the Nestor. Seems like there's still a lot of contention surrounding the design and I'd really like to know if they're planning on releasing it in the current form, or if they're still investigating possible designs.

Considering the silence, it seems unlikely that it's going to receive additional changes before 1.1, unless they hold off the Nestor's release until the next patch cycle.


Which means they'll have between now and 1.2 to look at live data and see how useless and unnecessary this thing is in practice. Great.
C C P Alliance
#2110 - 2014-01-23 10:05:27 UTC
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.

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#2111 - 2014-01-23 10:12:37 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.


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#2112 - 2014-01-23 10:39:12 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.


With respect Rise, that won't work. Sisters' LP value is set by the utility of Sisters' launchers, probes, implants, frigates and cruisers. The Nestor's market price will be a consequence of that, not a cause.

If you drop sufficient numbers of Nestors outside the LP store to lower the market price, it will become [more] illogical to convert LP to Nestors. Rational players will not do it.

The LP cost is simply too high to make this ship a viable purchase in the LP store. It's utility, when compared to other faction ships, is not high enough to justify this conversion ratio.

I have tried the Nestor on Sisi. Despite its low mass, it's no faster than any other battleship. The number of mid slots makes it mildly interesting, but not so interesting that I'd consider foregoing 8 stratios' for one Nestor.

I think I speak for the entire community here, at least the ones who care enough express a view.

I hate to say it, but CCPs reluctance to take on board the huge volume vociferous, constructive and heartfelt feedback is deeply disappointing.

Creating a Sisters' battleship was a great idea. It logically followed on from the very welcome (and actually awesome) Sisters' frigate and cruiser, which did not get anywhere near as much negative feedback.

This ship as it stands is a missed opportunity.

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#2113 - 2014-01-23 11:15:08 UTC
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Creating a Sisters' battleship was a great idea.


What is the purpose of this hull?

Pure explorer BS (data and relic) without covops cloak and with small warp speed is pointless IMO.

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#2114 - 2014-01-23 12:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
CCP Rise wrote:
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.


Thanks for wasting your time and our money i guess. Another pointless ship added to the rapidly ageing world of eve.

Maybe you know something we don't, like there is some new feature coming to eve where the Nestor will excel but everyone i have spoken to or every sisi Rubicon 1.1 review i have seen, says that they don't see a worthwhile role for this ship.

My disappointment in this games development continues...
#2115 - 2014-01-23 13:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Livingston
CCP Rise wrote:
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.


Well, I can't say I'm super excited for the Nestor in it's current form, I was kinda hoping you guys would consider the idea of changing it to a BC, but it's nice to know what we should expect.

Thanks for the update Rise.
#2116 - 2014-01-23 14:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Livingston
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#2117 - 2014-01-23 15:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfy Johnson
As is, it's a waste. Im in loss of words with ccp's work for the last cycle. Are you guys even in touch with the game still? Or are you deliberaty screwing it over before hitting the door?
Arataka Research Consortium
#2118 - 2014-01-23 15:59:02 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
By request I'm posting to say the ship isn't going to have any changes before 1.1

We want to see what activity looks like the way it is currently and make adjustments after. I'd also really like to look at finding ways to drop sisters ships outside of LP so that we can have some effect on the price in a way other than lowering the LP cost, but I'm not sure when we can get that figured out and implemented.


Rare BPC drops from Ghost Sites-- frigates in lowsec, cruisers in NS, battleships in WH sites. Again, extremely rare.

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#2119 - 2014-01-23 16:05:52 UTC
Well, well, well....

I sure do hope there's something unsaid and well planned that is the cause of this Nestor being what it is (and isn't).
Hanging on to that hope makes me feel a little silly and strung along, though.
But I exhanged my several hundred thousand SOE LP's for ISK (yeah, Stratios and probes, Mournful is right about that) more than a week ago and do not see myself working towards this ship at all.

Sorry Rise and CCP.
This one is a 'con'......
...as in pros and cons.

Big disappointment.
#2120 - 2014-01-23 17:35:43 UTC
Thanks for the update, even if it did take two weeks and offers nothing new.

It is disappointing how little dev presence has been felt here over the last month, winter holidays notwithstanding. It is also particularly disappointing that what are, in my admittedly biased view, some very interesting ideas (not to mention some very serious concerns) from the community here have not been addressed in any way. And please note that by 'addressed,' I don't mean to say that we should simply get whatever we ask for—only that valid concerns deserve a response, and promising ideas should be discussed, or at least acknowledged.

With that being said, I suppose there's nothing more but to wait for what will, with any luck, be the fastest ship introduction to rebalance turnaround time yet.

Forward to 1.2.
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