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Gallente Federation
#221 - 2014-05-11 19:10:38 UTC
I approve of the way this was handled. Good job CCP.
Amarr Empire
#222 - 2014-05-12 02:22:08 UTC
CCP Falcon
a few questions:

1) Can you confirm the reason for leniency on one person involved was the "owned up" or was there another reason for one perpetrator to have a lesser punishment?

2) Are repair works being carried out on the monument?

3) Can you state if there is any "ongoing out of game proceedings" in regards to recovering the cost of this damage? and if you can if there is or is not.

4) The obligatory can I have there stuffs? or if not me can the people that assisted with the swift resolution of these actions have there stuffs?
#223 - 2014-05-12 15:30:48 UTC
I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property.

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#224 - 2014-05-12 20:58:40 UTC
While i might not personally like the style of the monument, thats down to personal taste, i do understand the reason it was erected and even i was disappointed that someone would go to the length of defacing it, no matter how much of a puffy the guy is or isn't (i have no idea who the owner of the name removed was) even i wouldn't damage it :/

Glad to see you guys figured out those involved and lets hope they take this as a lesson against doing stupid **** while drunk, i hope the repairs aren't expensive although i'm sure if you set up a donation box there would be some pilots willing to assist if its a large bill
#225 - 2014-05-12 22:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Vincent Athena wrote:
I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property.

as a result of my time in the military where it is a tradition to leave one's unit patch or logo sticker in high traffic locations abroad, it didn't strike me as out of the ordinary. Between the two acts, one is related to deep tradition and the other is vandalism.

edit: I'm not saying it should take place on the monument, but this would be more common in the EVE playerbase if more player organizations had a level of pride and coordination, cohesion, identity... to have stickers of their own.

I suspect if you had a collection of all goon trinkets ever made, you could open a gift shop.
Amarr Empire
#226 - 2014-05-13 00:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Vincent Athena wrote:
I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property.

Damage done = 0.
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#227 - 2014-05-13 03:43:57 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property.

as a result of my time in the military where it is a tradition to leave one's unit patch or logo sticker in high traffic locations abroad, it didn't strike me as out of the ordinary. Between the two acts, one is related to deep tradition and the other is vandalism.

edit: I'm not saying it should take place on the monument, but this would be more common in the EVE playerbase if more player organizations had a level of pride and coordination, cohesion, identity... to have stickers of their own.

I suspect if you had a collection of all goon trinkets ever made, you could open a gift shop.


I have to agree with you about this concerning the Goons. I have nothing against them I have fought them in the past in PVP and think they bring some controversy to the Universe. Even the occasional local rant but everytime I popped one of them I always got the same response... gf. The sticker, although a gag, was not intended to be permanent therefor I believe they respected the gift CCP has given us. The Vandalism, although it has been put to bed, still irritates me. It would like me going to the 9/11 monument and scratching off a name of someone whom I hated. Regardless of who this person is or what their beliefs are they made Eve what it is today. If anything props to the Goons for being better than some of the Alliances in the respect they are all in it together. They have banded and enjoy Eve to its limits and it runs out into real world. If you ask a Goon, which I am, what they thought of the Vandalism I believe the response would be negative towards the perpatrators. Doesn't mean I won't pod them just for being a goon. Lol

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#228 - 2014-05-13 04:09:00 UTC
wouldn't be surprised if a goon challenge coin gets minted, if one or several haven't been already. also, if more player organizations had stickers, the Harpa convention center would have problems

wait.

I haven't attended fanfest, so I don't know: how bad is the sticker problem at the businesses involved in hosting it? the bars, restaurants, hotels, etc
#229 - 2014-05-13 04:59:57 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
wouldn't be surprised if a goon challenge coin gets minted, if one or several haven't been already. also, if more player organizations had stickers, the Harpa convention center would have problems

wait.

I haven't attended fanfest, so I don't know: how bad is the sticker problem at the businesses involved in hosting it? the bars, restaurants, hotels, etc


From what I gather the businesses usually welcomed Eve players. Aside from a select few causing a problem. The sticker on the monument was what I was refering to. I don't think the goons would also put stickers every where. One sticker followed by a photo op is one thing. But plastering them all over would be like spamming local.... wait this is the goons we are talking about... too soon?

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#230 - 2014-05-13 11:08:54 UTC
I mean... who brings one sticker to fanfest (where were the rest placed) Lol
#231 - 2014-05-13 11:55:36 UTC
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#232 - 2014-05-13 21:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack?
Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored?

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#233 - 2014-05-14 05:55:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack?
Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored?


I think they're trying to implement a fascist state. Oh, sorry I didn't realise I was posting 11 years from the start of EVE.

Regardless, it's not who's it's whose. Or you could say the individual whom had his name defaced....

Was this entirely expected and is it possible to reveal vaguely how the culprits were caught?
Violent Society
#234 - 2014-05-14 07:49:23 UTC
Very, very pleased by this response, CCP. I think this was well handled, there is no good reason to carry a grudge out into a CCP sponsored events, much less damaging something that has an impact on every EVE player. Regardless of whether they are apologetic or not, I believe that you made the right choice, CCP. The punishment fit the crime, you did not take excessive measures (to my knowledge,) and if anyone had done that to any of my character names, I would have been justifiably upset. All the same, CCP, I'm very happy with the direction you took this.

Thank you for acting so justly.
#235 - 2014-05-14 09:41:20 UTC
I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.

Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?

I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.

The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.

#236 - 2014-05-14 10:10:16 UTC
XMaxan wrote:
I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.

Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?

I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.

The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.



I am agreeing with you and disagreeing with you. On the lines of the punishment a "jury by your peers" might have been a good idea. However, the thing is that this was real life property of CCP and was suject to Iceland Laws. That being said even though this is the players monument CCP still owns and maintains the property. I think you bring good points on both sides of this. Nice post mate.

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#237 - 2014-05-14 15:44:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

bro you got modded be proud ( "____ the police" ?)
#238 - 2014-05-15 01:19:13 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me.
Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.


Precisely.

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#239 - 2014-05-15 02:26:14 UTC
Hey guys,

A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.

Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.

They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.

Just an FYI Smile

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#240 - 2014-05-15 03:26:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.

Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.

They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.

Just an FYI Smile


Falcon you could agree although the vandalism was horrible the sticker was rather amusing. It is a way for someone to make their mark without making it permanent. It is was a goon thats fine and it was fun. If it wasn't a goon... great way to get them under the proverbial whopping stick. A little humor was good scratching a name out... that should be a bannable offense... oh wait... yeah.

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