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[Hyperion] A new way to share overview settings

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#101 - 2014-08-11 23:27:23 UTC
i think in all honesty the overview is actually one of the oldest code pieces in eves spaghetti mass of code iirc. props to the Devs currently trying to unf**k some aspects of it, takes real guts to pull and tweak legacy code without any form of knowing what will impact something seemingly unrelated.

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Gallente Federation
#102 - 2014-08-12 01:27:04 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Does this mean that overview states will finally be made useful?

Example: Show only war targets.
The states are not changing (the presentation of them is, so it's more obvious that you are picking what to filter out).

When starting this, I thought we had to completely change the states, so you would pick what you wanted in your overview (example: war targets) rather than what you didn't want.
When looking better into it, we quickly ran into this case
- I want -5 dudes in my overview so I check them -> my corp mates that are -5 now all show in the overview, not what I want

So (at least for now) it's the same as before, sorry if that's not ideal for you What?



so.. i've run into this issue with the current setup too... howabout a 3 state system.... (this isn't the best example, but it shows my point)

status : -5 security
status : war target
status : in my fleet


each status can be 'include', 'do not include', and 'N/A' (N/A would be equivilant to not carring... or just having that state being the lowest possible priority)

thus, durring a roam, i want 'in my fleet' to never show.. so i say do not include on that. but i want war targets to show, even if they somehow end up in my fleet.

now, if I sort my list by priority, and have in my fleet a LOWER priority than war target, even if they're in my fleet, a war target will show.

Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2014-08-12 07:26:04 UTC
As someone already proposed; pretty please make it on a tab basis. The basic idea of OV sharing is ok, but most people have specialised tabs and it is far more usefull to, for example in a fleet, share a specific tab setting, rather than messing with someones complete overview. I for one have specific settings for pvp but one and the same tab for travel. The travel tab is also the "get-the-f**k-out" tab in pvp, so I don't want my settings to be messed up by someones otherwise perfectly useful settings.

We also need to be able to somehow preview settings. How on earth will you otherwise know what you getting? It's like contracts without content. We have come long way in EVE to step away from arcane blind links, or?

And finally, please, give us more tabs. We are flying capitals in space, in the only un-instanced game in the world, having fantastic battles with thousands of people involved, but our spaceship can only have 5 tabs and not accessible in station? DUH? The Enterprise crew are rotating in their graves from laughter! Lol
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-08-12 08:37:07 UTC
I understand adding new dialogs is a pain in the **** and make a feature a lot more complex but what about having an icon you drag to create a link which will includes all the overview settings (that's the one planned) but also add icons next to each tab profile in the ui and allow drag and dropping them too so they create a link that will add a tab profile to an existing overview configuration ?

This would not require any new ui and would allow both tab sharing and complete overview sharing.
#105 - 2014-08-12 14:20:53 UTC
Finally \o/

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#106 - 2014-08-12 17:05:17 UTC
Just add a confirm box so people get a warning when they click the link.

Also add a go back to previous setup function so we can redo if we don't like the overview changes. (just like ctrl-z)
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2014-08-12 17:51:01 UTC
Bessa Miros wrote:
can the settings be per character instead of per account?


No, unfortunately not. However, if you save an Overview Preset in a note or email, then you can easily switch between once you have logged in on different characters.

GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Does the new import/export saving also save the customisable corp/alliance tag input boxes?


Yes!

Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I can't figure out how to load an existing preset.

It used to be that you right click on the settings icon in the overview settings window. If I have a bracket preset, how do I load it to modify it?


Right click on a overview tab to load a preset into that tab.
#108 - 2014-08-12 17:58:49 UTC
CCP Turtlepower wrote:

Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I can't figure out how to load an existing preset.

It used to be that you right click on the settings icon in the overview settings window. If I have a bracket preset, how do I load it to modify it?


Right click on a overview tab to load a preset into that tab.


I thought of that but didn't think it would be the only way. Seems a bit convoluted but I guess it works. Thank you

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#109 - 2014-08-12 19:10:57 UTC
great change +1.
Only one question - why so late;)?
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2014-08-13 00:03:38 UTC
I agree with others, there definitely needs to be a preview option first before having to accept or dismiss the Overview Links along with a 'Revert' option.

Having to post your existing Overview settings as links contained within an Eve Mail or Notepad and then having to search for those, click and accept them just to revert your Overview back to it's original state is counter-productive, slow and tedious.

Also like the idea of being able to link a single Overview Tab.



DMC
#111 - 2014-08-13 04:06:43 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I agree with others, there definitely needs to be a preview option first before having to accept or dismiss the Overview Links along with a 'Revert' option.

Having to post your existing Overview settings as links contained within an Eve Mail or Notepad and then having to search for those, click and accept them just to revert your Overview back to it's original state is counter-productive, slow and tedious.

Also like the idea of being able to link a single Overview Tab.



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or.. just a history of the last few settings you loaded.

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#112 - 2014-08-13 07:42:23 UTC
Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:

Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs?

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C C P Alliance
#113 - 2014-08-13 15:43:19 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:
Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:

Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs?

We are not changing this part of the overview at this time, sorry.
Cosa Nostra.
#114 - 2014-08-13 16:44:17 UTC
Are we able to bracket moons in space again?

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

#115 - 2014-08-13 17:39:50 UTC
Karash Amerius wrote:
Are we able to bracket moons in space again?

i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone?

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#116 - 2014-08-13 18:56:18 UTC
CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Legedric Striker wrote:
Thie question has been asked before but never got an answer as far as I can see:

Will we be able to add more than 5 tabs to our overview or will it still be limited to 5 tabs?

We are not changing this part of the overview at this time, sorry.

Much sadness

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Cosa Nostra.
#117 - 2014-08-13 20:41:44 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
Karash Amerius wrote:
Are we able to bracket moons in space again?

i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone?


Alt-Shift-X is the shortcut. My question isn't about that, but rather adding the functionality back into the presets, which you cannot anymore. For example, if I am scanning moons there is an additional step of the shortcut after I load my appropriate preset. Just stupid.

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#118 - 2014-08-13 23:57:36 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
Karash Amerius wrote:
Are we able to bracket moons in space again?

i am pretty sure there is a shortcut for that? is it gone?


It's ALT+SHIFT+X

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#119 - 2014-08-14 20:15:00 UTC
Ugh, modal dialogs. Even when they're necessary, they're awful.

A couple of suggestions:

1) What if we could save sets of overview tabs and browse through the sets, and clicking a link added a set? Give them names, and then they would simply appear in the background, with some non-modal notification that "overview set 'LOL n00b" has just been added." Even if the modal dialog stays, I would love to be able to load my overview in sets of tabs.

2) I like the idea that some sort of notification would appear that you were being attacked. I initially thought, "just put them on the current overview tab, flashing red!" but there are some weird edge cases there (person gets attacked at the same time that he switches tabs?) so maybe that one is best served by some modal/centered-on-screen/otherwise hard-to-ignore notification.

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#120 - 2014-08-15 15:29:41 UTC
We have now added a new tab to the overview settings - History. Here you can see your last 15 loaded overview profiles, and revert back to them easily. We also added a 'Restore' button to the bottom of this window, clicking it will simply undo the last overview profile import. Please update your Singularity client and try it out!

Karash Amerius wrote:
Are we able to bracket moons in space again?

I will see to it that this is looked into.

Dersen Lowery wrote:

1) What if we could save sets of overview tabs and browse through the sets, and clicking a link added a set? Give them names, and then they would simply appear in the background, with some non-modal notification that "overview set 'LOL n00b" has just been added." Even if the modal dialog stays, I would love to be able to load my overview in sets of tabs.

2) I like the idea that some sort of notification would appear that you were being attacked. I initially thought, "just put them on the current overview tab, flashing red!" but there are some weird edge cases there (person gets attacked at the same time that he switches tabs?) so maybe that one is best served by some modal/centered-on-screen/otherwise hard-to-ignore notification.

1. This is a good idea, but will not be part of this iteration.
2. This is out of scope for this project at the moment, but it is something we are interested in looking deeper into in the coming months.
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