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Where is the war in EVE?

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Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-11-16 22:15:16 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I see alts running around blobbing people in lowsec/nullsec. I can't run sites or do anything whilst they are around. I try to fight back but eventually I need more isk for more ships.


1. Leave the system and go somewhere else.

2. Don't run sites if/when there are people in system you can't do anything about.

3. You don't need more ISK, you need to stop killing ships you can't replace.

Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-11-16 22:15:59 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
All of Eve should be low sec.

**** gate guns.

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Fidelas Constans
#23 - 2015-11-16 22:33:09 UTC
I don't understand. I was in sov null-sec on another character (my very first one), and had no problems whatsoever running anomalies in peace. I didn't have alts either -- just the one character to PvP and make ISK. When we weren't roaming, we'd only see a few neutrals an hour coming through our systems. Could easily complete Havens and Sanctums in between seeing neutrals, or just start aligning when they arrived if we weren't done yet. I had my own POS, and was making my own projectile ammo and heavy missiles so I didn't have to pay somebody else to make and transport them.

And now with this character I do roams with my corpies all the time and see nobody for twenty or more systems that have plenty of anomalies to run.

Maybe it's the particular places you've been trying to do this in. The times are important too -- prime-time is different from late night.

When I finally do make an impact on this universe, it will reverberate across the entirety of it, and no one will be able to truthfully claim they don't know me. - -

Until then, I'll just sit quietly over here, minding my own business...

The Amish Mafia
#24 - 2015-11-17 01:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Kharaxus wrote:


1. Leave the system and go somewhere else.

2. Don't run sites if/when there are people in system you can't do anything about.

3. You don't need more ISK, you need to stop killing ships you can't replace.




2 is practically impossible. People are ALWAYS in system, and if they aren't, they will be. I already mentioned this when I said I would rather not sit docked up doing nothing.

3 is just a symptom. I can't rat null and low any lower than an algos with T2 drones and T2 lows, they die too often to players. Hell I recently lost an afk cloaked prospect due to cloaking not agreeing with belt rats. I wouldn't have been afk cloaked if I had the option to be in space without cloak. I was cloak mining in small bits before I said **** it and went afk, but then belt rats decloaked me 2 hours before I even came back. If I can't fight em, i'll afk cloak em. (which does not solve the problem btw) Cloak mining was a last resort as war decs meant we weren't allowed into highsec. Gotta make isk somehow while being chased around lowsec by everybody and their grandmother whilst the blues are off doing fleets 20 jumps away.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-11-17 02:27:58 UTC
If running anoms is ur thing then don't run them in high sec, u would be better of finding an alliance based in a quiet part of low or null n ratting there. Unless ur goin to run incursions or run lvl 4 missions high sec isn't that great for ratting.
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-11-17 02:45:01 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:


3 is just a symptom. I can't rat null and low any lower than an algos with T2 drones and T2 lows, they die too often to players. Hell I recently lost an afk cloaked prospect due to cloaking not agreeing with belt rats. I wouldn't have been afk cloaked if I had the option to be in space without cloak. I was cloak mining in small bits before I said **** it and went afk, but then belt rats decloaked me 2 hours before I even came back. If I can't fight em, i'll afk cloak em. (which does not solve the problem btw) Cloak mining was a last resort as war decs meant we weren't allowed into highsec. Gotta make isk somehow while being chased around lowsec by everybody and their grandmother whilst the blues are off doing fleets 20 jumps away.



I just...what? You went AFK cloaky right in the middle of a belt? For hours? Why didn't you warp off to a safe before going cloaky and AFK ?

Manifesto.
#27 - 2015-11-17 07:23:55 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

Essentially this makes lowsec/nullsec that premium content you must pay to play through alts or plex. Otherwise you go dirt broke and are forced back into highsec, happens every ******* time.


Eh, I MIGHT agree on the null sec part to a limited degree, but you couldn't be more wrong about lowsec, if you are having that much trouble there, then either smarten up, increase your carebear capacity even more, or unsub.

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The Bloc
#28 - 2015-11-17 09:43:26 UTC
TL;DR version I cannot GIT GUD. Seriously you whine about everything you do in EVE.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Break-A-Wish Foundation
#29 - 2015-11-17 12:51:11 UTC
Hal Morsh is a strong contender for worst eve player.
Avvy
#30 - 2015-11-17 17:55:04 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
I see alts running around blobbing people in lowsec/nullsec. I can't run sites or do anything whilst they are around. I try to fight back but eventually I need more isk for more ships.


1. Leave the system and go somewhere else.

2. Don't run sites if/when there are people in system you can't do anything about.

3. You don't need more ISK, you need to stop killing ships you can't replace.


I wish I knew that the other day when I spent 75 million on subsystem books.
Z'ko
#31 - 2015-11-17 19:44:01 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
All of Eve should be low sec.

Well then you need just one Jita with 0.1 sec status. Very fun.
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-11-17 19:53:04 UTC
Avvy wrote:
I wish I knew that the other day when I spent 75 million on subsystem books.


Approx. 1 Billion for Carrier skillbooks.

Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-11-17 20:08:56 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

2 is practically impossible. People are ALWAYS in system, and if they aren't, they will be. I already mentioned this when I said I would rather not sit docked up doing nothing.

3 is just a symptom. I can't rat null and low any lower than an algos with T2 drones and T2 lows, they die too often to players. Hell I recently lost an afk cloaked prospect due to cloaking not agreeing with belt rats. I wouldn't have been afk cloaked if I had the option to be in space without cloak. I was cloak mining in small bits before I said **** it and went afk, but then belt rats decloaked me 2 hours before I even came back. If I can't fight em, i'll afk cloak em. (which does not solve the problem btw) Cloak mining was a last resort as war decs meant we weren't allowed into highsec. Gotta make isk somehow while being chased around lowsec by everybody and their grandmother whilst the blues are off doing fleets 20 jumps away.


Don't forget #1.

You are in a Corp (only 7 members? In Null sec?). But you ARE in an alliance? In Null sec? Why don't you join the fleets? You have a decent Killboard - you seem competent even. You were in a kill that had 46 people involved in it. HOW do 46 people get organized enough to be involved in killing one T1 cruiser?

Is English your second language?

So maybe re-evaluate your priorities in Eve to something you can do solo? Sounds like you are trying to play solo already.
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-11-17 20:09:44 UTC
Thierry Orlenard wrote:



I just...what? You went AFK cloaky right in the middle of a belt? For hours? Why didn't you warp off to a safe before going cloaky and AFK ?



He sees alts.
#35 - 2015-11-17 20:34:08 UTC
Alt exploitation makes a lot of things in EVE undoable. You can't cut the ISK lines for major alliances because they can just farm anoms and incursions in high sec on another account in an unaffiliated corp/alliance. You can't have a bounty system because people will simply blow themselves up on another characer in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and claim their own bounty. You can't cut their supply lines because people will just use JF alts in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and leave that corp for a new one if you wardec it.

But at the same time, the game is designed to force you to use alternate accounts. You can only train one character per account. You can only JC once every 24 hours, and now you have jump aids that prevents you from using jump drives and bridges to make up the distance in space, so if your main lives in nulsec you can't just run to Jita whenever you need something. You can't safely move around on your own even in high sec, so you must have a scout if you're flying anything valuable, but there's no one who's going to scout for your 24/7 besides yourself. Fleets with links completely outclass fleets without links, and links will be the first thing targeted on the field so we use them all off grid, yet no one wants to be that one guy who flies in a straight line by himself in the middle of nowhere while everyone else has fun, so you someone has to have a booster alt to ensure you can compete. You can't train for both combat and industry at the same time, so if you're new you need at least 2 accounts just to be able to experience the depth of the whole game, and even then you're still missing a huge portion if you don't at least run 3. The list goes on and on.
ChaosTheory.
#36 - 2015-11-17 20:38:03 UTC
Valacus wrote:
Alt exploitation makes a lot of things in EVE undoable. You can't cut the ISK lines for major alliances because they can just farm anoms and incursions in high sec on another account in an unaffiliated corp/alliance. You can't have a bounty system because people will simply blow themselves up on another characer in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and claim their own bounty. You can't cut their supply lines because people will just use JF alts in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and leave that corp for a new one if you wardec it.

But at the same time, the game is designed to force you to use alternate accounts. You can only train one character per account. You can only JC once every 24 hours, and now you have jump aids that prevents you from using jump drives and bridges to make up the distance in space, so if your main lives in nulsec you can't just run to Jita whenever you need something. You can't safely move around on your own even in high sec, so you must have a scout if you're flying anything valuable, but there's no one who's going to scout for your 24/7 besides yourself. Fleets with links completely outclass fleets without links, and links will be the first thing targeted on the field so we use them all off grid, yet no one wants to be that one guy who flies in a straight line by himself in the middle of nowhere while everyone else has fun, so you someone has to have a booster alt to ensure you can compete. You can't train for both combat and industry at the same time, so if you're new you need at least 2 accounts just to be able to experience the depth of the whole game, and even then you're still missing a huge portion if you don't at least run 3. The list goes on and on.


What, exactly, do you like about EVE?
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-11-17 23:58:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

What, exactly, do you like about EVE?


He's not wrong though; the prevelence of alts does make things more convenient for the player but at the same time it flies squarely in the face of the type of game that CCP want to make. How can I win a war by disrupting my enemies isk making when they can unload that responsibility from their main to some alt.

CCP wants our characters to have meaning? Well why let us make an unlimited amount of alt accounts to take over any responsibilities the main can't meet. CCP wants us to interact with each other? Well too bad, it's much simpler just having alts do things for me.

First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.

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Avvy
#38 - 2015-11-18 00:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Mr Mieyli wrote:

First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.


Never going to happen, CCP would lose all their alt accounts.

It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason.

If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't.

If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins.

It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that.
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-11-18 00:38:07 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:

First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.


Never going to happen, CCP would lose all their alt accounts.

It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason.

If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't.

If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins.

It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that.


Along with lost income from dual-training.
Avvy
#40 - 2015-11-18 00:40:56 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:

First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.


Never going to happen, CCP would lose all their alt accounts.

It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason.

If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't.

If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins.

It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that.


Along with lost income from dual-training.



As well as annoying all their customers that have alts, because of the time and isk/currency that's gone into them. It would cost CCP too much to compensate those players.
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