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It is the anniversary of the Empress's historic announcement

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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#21 - 2016-12-25 18:49:41 UTC
It's not an exaggeration.
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2016-12-25 18:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
I am just going to copy my post from two years ago when the same rumor was around.

Ayallah wrote:
Between six and seven hundred million slaves were freed by the Empress's announcement. All of them either of the ninth generation or higher as well as Matari academics and religious figures. These people were not 'millions of unwanted people' They were specialists, academics, Shamans, and skilled workers.

"The numbers of trained and educated refugees we've been seeing are surprisingly high," reports Tjaard Mtaki, one of the career advisors employed by the integration facilities. "All of those immigrants who served on stations and ships have a high level of education in fields such as mathematics and physics. We've seen expert mechanics and engineers who can't read or write a word, but they can accurately explain the finer points of essential systems maintenance. We're finding the gaps in their education and helping to fill them."

The concern was not if the Republic could support them, it was what would happen to the Empire's economy when such a large number of skilled workers were removed.

"Who knows what crises that’s going to cause for the Empire? How they intend to replenish that kind of work force is beyond me. And, I mean, these aren’t glaive-collared factory drones, these are educated people, these are specialists. This is a brain trust we're talking about here.”

An actual problem encountered was that while the Empress decreed that they should be freed she failed to specify anything further. This resulted in many slaves simply left out on the streets with a citizenship and an open door to the Republic.

"The corporation released Onyeka’s entire family, forcing them to fend for themselves. ”It was before the Sisters [of EVE] started their work. We couldn’t afford to leave,” Inevne Djekatro, her mother, explains. ”We were told to leave the workers’ housing, but where are we going to go if there’s nowhere else?” With nowhere to go, the family was forced to take menial service jobs on the station in order to pay for lodging and food.

”We thought life would get better at first,” says Onyeka, ‘But it only got worse. We saved what we could, but it was months before we had enough for a place on a shuttle.” At the expense of reduced power to the family of eight’s single room apartment, they saved enough to send Onyeka to the Republic to begin a new life.

"One of the problems we encountered early on was that Holders who opted to send their former slaves to the Republic were reluctant to pay for passage further than was absolutely necessary," stated Immigration and Resettlement Officer Rais Ephrintak. "Oftentimes, ships would simply leave entire families there without any support. The stations in Rens simply weren't designed to handle such a mass influx of people."

Eventually, the Sisters of EVE offered offices and temporary housing space in their stations orbiting the moons of Rens VII. "It really was the best windfall we could have hoped for, under the circumstances," Ephrintak enthused. "Just having the stations to work from has made integrating the refugees much easier."

And this is the source of the myth of an 'overburdened' Republic. When the Empress made her announcement she failed to give an forewarning for any humanitarian or logistical preparation. Rens is the main immigration facility but like any orbital is designed to hold a finite amount of people. The Sisters of Eve solved the problem by providing free transportation out of the Empire as well as their donation of space for the initial overflow of people.

The Republic pays for the education, counseling, and substance of every single returnee for months, until they are able to be self sufficient. Unless complications arise, such as medical issues or an extreme unwillingness to incorporate, the new arrivals are moved within the first week to housing programs, where they receive further support and work placements or education.

"There were many tests," she says. "They wanted to see where my skills are, and there's so much to write! They want to know everything and more." In addition to basic aptitude examinations, all arrivals are given a basic medical scan and inoculations. Interviews are conducted in order to arrange suitable work placement and provide emotional support, if necessary.

There was no conspiracy by the Empress, there was an intial backlash by holders and then the completely expected delays that include processing almost a billion people. No nation or Empire can just take 700 million refugees into a single star system and not have a queue form somewhere.

The people were very well taken care of and the Empress is not the mastermind of some subversive plot to undermine the Republic.

As strength goes.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#23 - 2016-12-25 19:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
You seem to think that providing financial support and housing means that everything is perfect and everyone has what they need and nothing goes wrong. Just because needs can be met to a degree doesn't make conditions good. Any nation in New Eden would have had issues with that many immigrants in a short period of time. And any people living in the middle of it, gets drawn into it.

And cherry picking quotes that talk about the positives and not ones that refer to the negatives is pointless. Like trying to argue that the academics being released means that every released slave was a skilled and educated worker and so could easily find work. 9th generation and up means exactly that, 9th generation and up. That includes people with good jobs and people with bad jobs, healthy workers and people too old or too young to be part of the workforce, people fit for a free work environment and people who are not. It includes people who loved Amarr and people who hated it, and putting those people in the same residential areas as one another.

Yes, the Republic did a lot to help people. So did Sisters of EVE, and Interbus. That doesn't mean it wasn't hard, or that there weren't problems. Or even that everything that gets reported is entirely truthful. Perhaps you should consider looking up the concerns about the housing areas that Aidonis Medical reported, or the lack of any actual investigation into Abel Jarek's murder despite claims from police that there would be one. Or the fact that religious conflicts and personal existential crisis are things that happen regardless of efforts to reduce their impact (free counselling doesn't instantly cure depression or any other mental illness, for one).

It was a difficult time. It's mostly resolved now, and everyone involved did their best, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a difficult time. It's not an exaggeration to say that.
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2016-12-25 20:51:42 UTC
You are perfectly free to read the articles yourself. I never claimed things were perfect but they were far far from the scene described before.

The scope reported this, not me.

As strength goes.

Mercenary Coalition
#25 - 2016-12-25 21:16:32 UTC
The scope of course being an unparalleled beacon of impeccable sources and reporting. Do you actually go out of your way to be wrong about damn near everything you jabber on about?
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2016-12-25 23:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Ayallah wrote:
You are perfectly free to read the articles yourself. I never claimed things were perfect but they were far far from the scene described before.

The scope reported this, not me.


Step 1: claim someone is completely wrong and everything was 'very well taken care of'.
Step 2: insist the hearsay you're peddling is more accurate than the first-hand statements of multiple people who were actually involved and in-theatre at the time (cuz that's who you're arguing with there in those two, you know?).
Step 3: Gruel?

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

Do you actually go out of your way to be wrong about damn near everything you jabber on about?


Ayallah's never wrong, Miz. Not about anything in the whole wide universe, ever, remember?
Mercenary Coalition
#27 - 2016-12-25 23:44:42 UTC
Right right, knew I forgot something.
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-12-27 21:44:45 UTC
Now I an't the most politically savvy man out there. So forgive me as I blindly stomp on the finer details, but there'll always be teething problems in massive projects, especially the kind involving large numbers of people. Regardless of the temporary economic and social consequences this was the right call and one long over-due. Any issues will no doubt be solved in time.
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2016-12-27 22:20:17 UTC
At least you guys had to insist the scope was lying in their news stories and the refugees were lying in their interviews to get angry at me this time Arrendis and Mizhara.

Progress

As strength goes.

Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2016-12-27 23:19:16 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
At least you guys had to insist the scope was lying in their news stories and the refugees were lying in their interviews to get angry at me this time Arrendis and Mizhara.


Angry? Sorry, sweetums, we're laughing at you. How's the gruel?
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2016-12-27 23:20:40 UTC
If you repeat it enough maybe it will have some effect.

As strength goes.

Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2016-12-27 23:28:32 UTC
It amuses me, Aya, and that's really all I ever ask of my humor.
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2016-12-28 01:23:13 UTC
Ponder Rouge Affinor wrote:
Now I an't the most politically savvy man out there. So forgive me as I blindly stomp on the finer details, but there'll always be teething problems in massive projects, especially the kind involving large numbers of people. Regardless of the temporary economic and social consequences this was the right call and one long over-due. Any issues will no doubt be solved in time.


Until you consider the timing of the emancipation. The timing is convenient enough to be very inconvenient towards a rival nation that is still working out on which brick ought to go where to build a proper government.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#34 - 2016-12-29 18:29:47 UTC
Minmatar response to not freeing slaves: complain.

Minmatar response to freeing slaves: complain.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of House Sarum

Mercenary Coalition
#35 - 2016-12-29 18:39:43 UTC
If only things were as black and white as you keep trying to make them, Aldieboo. New Eden would be a much simpler place.
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2016-12-29 18:46:47 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ponder Rouge Affinor wrote:
Now I an't the most politically savvy man out there. So forgive me as I blindly stomp on the finer details, but there'll always be teething problems in massive projects, especially the kind involving large numbers of people. Regardless of the temporary economic and social consequences this was the right call and one long over-due. Any issues will no doubt be solved in time.


Until you consider the timing of the emancipation. The timing is convenient enough to be very inconvenient towards a rival nation that is still working out on which brick ought to go where to build a proper government.

How do you stop an emboldened enemy?

Make them divert resources away from any military adventurism they may be considering by giving them what they want, albeit at your timetable and by your terms. Either they have to use resources to deal with the sudden need, or they risk internal issues by utterly neglecting what they claim they want. Half solutions would be even worse.

Whatever the intent. It was a good strategic move. A relatively costless, benign way to give an opponent pause without firing a shot.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-12-30 01:17:58 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ponder Rouge Affinor wrote:
Now I an't the most politically savvy man out there. So forgive me as I blindly stomp on the finer details, but there'll always be teething problems in massive projects, especially the kind involving large numbers of people. Regardless of the temporary economic and social consequences this was the right call and one long over-due. Any issues will no doubt be solved in time.


Until you consider the timing of the emancipation. The timing is convenient enough to be very inconvenient towards a rival nation that is still working out on which brick ought to go where to build a proper government.

How do you stop an emboldened enemy?

Make them divert resources away from any military adventurism they may be considering by giving them what they want, albeit at your timetable and by your terms. Either they have to use resources to deal with the sudden need, or they risk internal issues by utterly neglecting what they claim they want. Half solutions would be even worse.

Whatever the intent. It was a good strategic move. A relatively costless, benign way to give an opponent pause without firing a shot.


Exactly.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Electus Matari
#38 - 2016-12-30 06:53:47 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Minmatar response to not freeing slaves: complain.

Minmatar response to freeing slaves: complain.

All Amarrians/Khanid are cruel, sadistic slavers like Nauplius, right?

Shall I make other broad sweeping generalizations in the same spirit as yours?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Rote Kapelle
#39 - 2016-12-30 11:33:21 UTC
Ponder Rouge Affinor wrote:
Now I an't the most politically savvy man out there. So forgive me as I blindly stomp on the finer details, but there'll always be teething problems in massive projects, especially the kind involving large numbers of people. Regardless of the temporary economic and social consequences this was the right call and one long over-due. Any issues will no doubt be solved in time.


Since politics isn't your bag, let me give you a nice political axiom. "Be careful what you wish for."

And, of course, be prepared for it.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Sani-Sabik
#40 - 2016-12-30 15:57:59 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Minmatar response to not freeing slaves: complain.

Minmatar response to freeing slaves: complain.

All Amarrians/Khanid are cruel, sadistic slavers like Nauplius, right?

Shall I make other broad sweeping generalizations in the same spirit as yours?


Well, that's meta.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

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