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#21 - 2017-05-18 17:58:22 UTC
Not at all, happens always after a stock split or currency change.


"old" plex was over 1b, people looked at it and said "hmm 1b, that's a lot", Now it's a few million and you have to multiply by 500 so small difference of "0.2 mil", which is hard to see, adds up.
CAStabouts
#22 - 2017-05-18 21:48:00 UTC
Well, it's easier to drop a bit of ISK into PLEX as an investment instead of forking out over a billion each time. Then there's the unification between old PLEX/Aurum into NuPlex (I believe that's the term) meaning that there's higher demand for PLEX due to ship skins/extractors e.t.c (the stuff that was previously covered by Aurum).

Finally I would imagine there's also a fair bit of speculation going on in regards to the upcoming secret auction for the AT, as well as what I've listed above.

So no reason to get the pitchforks out just yet Smile
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-05-18 22:15:01 UTC
/me shrugs.

I subscribe and the Bus only give out plex on special occasions so this is not a lake I have a boat in. Yes, things are more expensive . . . but all that triggers is a 'back when I was a kid . . . ' talk from us old players.

Inflation happens. In Eve, the economic system is a decent player driven microcosm and I would expect things to steadily grown more expensive. Thus, I am not sure what the whining is about unless it is the same whining I do when I go shopping for groceries or go to a bar and see current prices.

so I subscribe, I play, I enjoy the game

I am weird, that way

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

#24 - 2017-05-18 22:55:45 UTC
Dont be a leach pay for sub or sell plex and benefit from prices.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Trouble In Little China
#25 - 2017-05-18 23:46:46 UTC
Sky Marshal wrote:
Well, Plex are now sold by CCP by packs of 110/240/440 (with 0/20/60 more offered for the moment). A player who want to add 30 days in his account needs 500 of them. 440, it is less than before (1 Plex = 30 days) but for the same price.

So CCP stealthy raised the price, and the market is correcting itself. There isn't any "player driven market" in this situation, CCP is the responsible of that.

It was obvious it would be going up if the real price is going up too. Couldn't do anything else. It is a dangerous move for CCP, I doubt that an higher price in ISK won't "cost" some players.


It's not "for the moment". Those are permanent. People are stupid. They don't math "good". So the "bonus" is CCPs way of telling people how much extra they get by buying in bulk.
#26 - 2017-05-19 00:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Currently at 1.4-1.5bil.

Surprised?

No. 2-3 mill per PLEX is much more accesible than 1+ bill per PLEX.
Before the PLEX change, only the richer players could use PLEX as gold item, now everybody can. Demand has increased a lot.

There are traders who already had serveral trillions invested in PLEX before the change. These guys are now using ISK as toilet paper.

In a few years, only very dedicated ISK grinders will be able to afford paying their sub with PLEX if this trend continues. I dont think that this is good for the game, but CCP will decide. Im sure that if their revenue stream is in any danger, they will intervene within hours.
#27 - 2017-05-19 03:15:05 UTC
nope that's why I bought a bunch before the patch.
#28 - 2017-05-19 06:17:33 UTC
Im not surprised either.
I expected a 2-300mil increase in the immediate aftermath.
Calling it at 1.6bil by end of summer.
Maybe even 1.8 bil by Chrstimas, depending on how the injector situation goes.
The-Culture
#29 - 2017-05-19 07:18:10 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
The bottom line is CCP's bottom line benefits the most Big smile

Not when they have no idea what to spend it for (read: VR and other 'funny' but 'dead right from the start' stuff).

To OP: yes, i am surprised that PLEX is skyrocketed. Actually i expected PLEX to get cheaper at least for some time: all these PLEX from nowhere (from aurum noone used)...
But yeah, i'm always bad at market speculation so i'm not surprised that i failed. Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

#30 - 2017-05-19 07:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Just yet another change that ended up screwing over the isk poor little guy.
#31 - 2017-05-19 07:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Now demand is so big because every alpha want to have some piece of EVE's analogue of real life's gold. Every spare ISK laying around is converted for future and for those sweeeeet New Eden Store deals.

I am even thinking the contracts will include PLEX as the currency in some rare deals.
Phalanx Federation
#32 - 2017-05-19 07:36:04 UTC
The price increase bothered me till I found an activity that got met 700 mil in 3 hours. I plan on doing this all day on saturday to Plex both my accounts for the next at least 2 months. I also need to get dual training going on to set up both my accounts with full PI abilities to supplement my income as I prepare for Nullsec.
#33 - 2017-05-19 07:40:38 UTC
I subscribe. EVE is a hobby. Plexing EVE feels like a second job to me. No need of that.

It's a solid investment though. Plex was at 200m when I started playing 6 years ago. So it's been up 200-250m on average each year.

Remove standings and insurance.

Amarr Empire
#34 - 2017-05-19 07:42:28 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Nah, i'll just stop playing for 12 months, lets see what happens in 1 year.
if it's still more than 2.5mil i'll stop playing forever.

Evil
well it will be more than 2.5 in a year
look at the inflation on plex since it first came out
#35 - 2017-05-19 08:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Nvm.
I ran the numbers wrong.
Injectors are overpriced.

As PLEX rises, I expect Injector price will drop as players consolidate their accounts down and sell off SP.
Its unclear how interested the wealthy will be in Injectors as they suffer malus when injecting on their mains, and even their alts are already well established in SP, leaving demand largely in newer players (whom weigh Injectors vs PLEX)



1.2bil already really pushed the envelope for many players to PLEX according to earning from fairly active playing in a wide range of activities popular on a single account.

1.5bil is gonna cut off a lot of alts, as the 300mil increase additively multiplies the more accounts a player has.
It gets harder to leverage multiple accounts against a 300mil income increase demand per account for PLEXing.

Leading to exponential amount of subbed/PLEXed account attrition, which is going to look bad on CCP ledgers, despite the artificial retention of those accounts as "Alpha". Especially over summer when a lot of players actually end up playing less even though they may have more expendable freetime.

This money grab is not going to pan out well in terms of activity numbers.

I wouldnt be surprised to see a sustained ~-20% activity attrition by the end of summer into fall as compared to now.



Caveat: If NS recruits really hard, some of that attrition may be retained as players potentially find the means to PLEX via NS activity/income, but this will be at most some few %.

I strongly encourage everyone to consider moving into NS or established WH corps this summer.
Its "that time" now to make the move.

HS/LS and low WH content income is not going to be adequate to PLEX without a great deal of activity ingame earning.
The isk is in NS and WHs, and to an extent, LS if you play hard.



No "EVE IS DYING", but I think this may be the worst summer yet for EVE, and the tipping point towards an accelerated decline in activity.

Ironically, the only remedy I see for that, is as many players as possible moving to NS/WHs this summer/fall unless you are prepared to sub with cash.

Lets call it "The NS Summer".


Hell, even I am going to make the move.
Its the only way to save EVE, in your own interest and for the good of the game.
#36 - 2017-05-19 10:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
High sec is where the fun and future is, people who pay subscription with real money. Null sec will be full of no lifes that will grind all the time and blueballing themselves to the boring end, because all they will see is they will make themselves miserable by fountaining ISK into the equation and making isk worth even more grind.
#37 - 2017-05-19 11:38:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Caveat: If NS recruits really hard, some of that attrition may be retained as players potentially find the means to PLEX via NS activity/income, but this will be at most some few %.

I strongly encourage everyone to consider moving into NS or established WH corps this summer.
Its "that time" now to make the move.

HS/LS and low WH content income is not going to be adequate to PLEX without a great deal of activity ingame earning.
The isk is in NS and WHs, and to an extent, LS if you play hard.


Sending players in to null to grind isk wont help with the retention, they wil quit as soon as they realise that its a crappy job.
I also strongly disagree with your claim that lowsex cant provide enough income for a normal healthy lifestile.
#38 - 2017-05-19 13:18:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Currently at 1.4-1.5bil.

Surprised?


nope not surprised at all.

What it means for me is i'll just stop playing and let my accounts go dormant again as anything above 1.2bn just makes the game seem like a job and wheres the fun in that.
Brave Collective
#39 - 2017-05-19 13:47:20 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
No I said this week's ago that prices would skyrocket.
Just wait for them to reach 4mil per Plex.

Theyre making it impossible for newer characters to Plex.
There should have been a 1b ceiling implemented to prevent this.


Bollocks.
#40 - 2017-05-19 14:32:31 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
No I said this week's ago that prices would skyrocket.
Just wait for them to reach 4mil per Plex.

Theyre making it impossible for newer characters to Plex.
There should have been a 1b ceiling implemented to prevent this.


Bollocks.


which part is bollocks?
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