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Who to trust?

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Mostly Clueless
#21 Posted: 2012.01.25 22:59
Paranoia is your (backstabbing) friend in this game, but don't just avoid everything "incase of trap", yes there are some people out there who will try and scam you out of the 1 trit your starter ship came with, but many others see helping newer players as an investment and hope that not only will they continue to play the game but that one day you'll join their corp/alliance/op and be a usefull and contributing member.
The stuff you stand to lose as a new player is cheap and easy to replace, the time/effort and assets of an older player trying to help you is worth billions, if they aren't activily trying to cause your grief then they're taking by far the biggest risk.

If nothing else, remember, the most valuable asset in this game isn't your ISK or your ships, it's the people you know and who you can rely on, and the only way to find those people is to take the risk.
No Holes Barred
#22 Posted: 2012.01.26 02:06
I would say there's no good way, even going as far as to disagree with the first reply, that the criminal red flag means they're bad. Some of the cheatingest people I've met in Eve were scammers with perfect sec status. Some of the nicest I've met were pirates. It usually depends on how you approach them.

The best thing to do is limit your loss and know the rules. If they drop a can and say "there's some free stuff for you!", then knowing that removing stuff from their can will let them shoot you can mean the difference. Say thanks anyway bro, but I'm too paranoid, can you dock in station and trade it to me?

I've been a pirate/griefer (I guess) before. If I killed a miner and he starts threatening me in local and talking smack, that's just an invitation to be mean. I've killed new players in lowsec before and convo'ed them about why they were there. After talking with them a little bit, I payed for their ship. I wasn't out to kill new players and give them a hard time, I just wanted tears (from older players, again, i don't want to drive new people away). Most people are the same way.

During that same time, while I was in a pirate corp, I'd help people in a mission if they were new and didn't have the firepower to finish it.

So yea, there isn't really a good way to tell if people are "trustworthy". The best way is to not put yourself in a position to lose much, don't give them down payment on a corp joining fee, but if you do get burned, don't get all hurt about it or it'll be like sharks to chum.

I think Liam Mirren summed it up best in 3 points.
Minmatar Republic
#23 Posted: 2012.01.26 12:50
Lock Randin wrote:

is [there] a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?



As the others have said trust and reputation are really huge commodities in eve, a great many players underestimate their worth. Both are built up over time bit by bit with each exchange, conversation and action. The 'trick' is to make sure your exposure or risk is kept at an 'acceptable' level.

What that level is is up to you, are you brash or conservative, or somewhere in between?

Best thing about being a newbie is you don't have huge amounts to lose and recovering is a short term affair, even if it doesn't feel that way at the time.

You're really going to have to face each player on his/her own basis and get to know them, listen to your instincts and build up a relationship in order to know how far you can trust them, just like in RL.


As far as the random one off meetings are concerned, ask yourself "what can I lose if this is a trap?", if you don't like the answer don't do it.


It could also be argued that until you have lost out and been scammed a few times you'll not properly be able to gauge what is a trap... so try to keep an open mind and learn from each downfall.
Curiosity killed the Kata...

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#24 Posted: 2012.01.26 13:26
Agree with all the previous reactions.

Trust must be gained in EVE as it's a harsh universe.
Don't just dive into every possibilty you encounter.

Usually a bit of common sense will get you a long way.
And even if you make a 'mistake' and loose a ship. Don't see it as a failure but as a learning point. If you know what you did wrong and learn from your mistakes loosing a ship isn't that of a problem. Ships and ISK are just tools in EVE to accomplish what you want to do.
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Kill It With Fire
#25 Posted: 2012.01.26 15:33  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
Lock Randin wrote:
I was just wondering if there is a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?


There sure is. If it isn't someone you can't punch IRL if they screw you over, they aren't trustworthy. There are literally *no* exceptions.

That doesn't mean you can't work with people; not at all. Just make sure it's mutually beneficial, and in their best interests not to rob you blind.
#26 Posted: 2012.02.07 18:35
Jovan Geldon wrote:
I was just wondering if there is a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?


There's no really reliable way to tell if someone is trustworthy (though you could ask their corpmates), but you'll eventually develop an instinct for sorting the good from the bad. It takes practice, though, and sometimes your instincts will fail you. As a rule of thumb, I don't accept 'blind invites' (ie, those that are randomly dropped on me).

For my part, I will gladly help with almost anything you need done; I can't go into Amarrian space, because I'm in the TLF and I'd end up floating home, but if there's a mission you're having problems with, and I'm not currently occupied with fleet operations, drop me a line and I'll see what I can do (eve-mail is preferred; I'm usually not able to properly respond via chat).

Above all, be polite to people who contact you -- even if it's a bit sketchy. Your reputation follows you in this game, and good manners (and a sense of humor) will work to your advantage.

Good luck out there!
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Rote Kapelle
#27 Posted: 2012.02.07 18:57
there are a ton of very friendly and helpful people in this game and also a ton of backstabbing pirates. So, always be on the lookout for these types.
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#28 Posted: 2012.02.07 22:20
Trust new players with caution, but don't be a jerk

Distrust people recruiting you, especially those that ask for an "Entrance fee".

Older players that ask for things have an agenda; those that offer you help with nothing asked in return are legit, just don't rush ahead like General Custer to help them with things.

And for the love of god, never trust anyone in local. This is important in Jita and Hek most especially.
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Ivy League
#29 Posted: 2012.02.09 05:51
An old quote of mine from when I started - I used it in a chat session with a couple "recruiters" for a corp that offered me and 2 others some isk if we'd come to lowsec and join their corporation...

"Think of yourself as a small child in a park full of pedophiles. If they offer you anything that requires you to meet with them, don't be overly surprised at what you actually get from the encounter."

I tossed that into the chat channel. Everyone laughed - none of us went to their base to sign up.

That out of the way -

The corp I'm in has rules against scamming and the like. A complaint will net an investigation and actions - scammers and such are kicked. Few such corporations exist in the game but there are a few. If you learn which ones operate like that, you can be "safer" dealing with their members but complete safety isn't in the cards here.
Caldari State
#30 Posted: 2012.02.09 06:36  |  Edited by: Branic Nolen
I'm still doing the Tut and new to this game playing on a 14 day trail, and from what I've seen in this game, there are loads of players you can trust. I was invited to a private chat group and everyone in there was so helpfull, even more helpfull than the rookie help channel!!! And one of the random players in there who was helping me out sent me 1mil ISK out of no where!!! And get this, they were pirates. I see on the forums, people talk bad about pirates, but these pirates were VERY helpfull!!!

But then again, while they were helping me in chat, at the same time I believe they were flying around in their fleet looting players they killedUgh
#31 Posted: 2012.02.09 10:32
Branic Nolen wrote:
I'm still doing the Tut and new to this game playing on a 14 day trail, and from what I've seen in this game, there are loads of players you can trust. I was invited to a private chat group and everyone in there was so helpfull, even more helpfull than the rookie help channel!!! And one of the random players in there who was helping me out sent me 1mil ISK out of no where!!! And get this, they were pirates. I see on the forums, people talk bad about pirates, but these pirates were VERY helpfull!!!

But then again, while they were helping me in chat, at the same time I believe they were flying around in their fleet looting players they killedUgh


Can confirm the part that not every pirate or griever is actually a bad person at all.

When I started out in EVE I joined a player corp who didn't tell me how war-mechanics worked, so I though: I'm in 0.9 space, who can touch me. Not long after I was blown up, podded and back in station. Problem is that the guys who we were at war with camped the station and killed me every time I undocked. After couple of kills one of them contacted me and explained me how war etc worked in high-sec and they even refunded every single ship I lost and some extra money. So although some people look like complete deuce-bags, generally they too have a good side.

I also have friends who went to low-sec in their first week and got blown up by others, what they did is contact the guy who killed them and ask for advice. Generally the people who kill you will give you advice on what you did wrong, how you can improve yourself and how EVE works in general. The only thing you have to do for such thing, as mentioned before, is stay polite. Don't rant on someone who killed you, be friendly and ask advice, usually they are willing to give it if you are polite and friendly. They usually do this for 1 reason, if people hate EVE, they leave which means less targets to shoot at, if people get good advice and like EVE they stick around and eventually might come back and give a good fight.

Personally I rather give advice to people to give them a good view on EVE so they stick around even if it means they will become my enemy eventually, as this means more nice and good fights to be had around EVE.

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#32 Posted: 2012.02.10 10:48
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

Most people in EVE are not out to get you. I think. Probably.


wrong wrong wrong 90% of people in eve would pod their mothers if there was isk in it.. or even if she had something shiney to kill.

eve rule number 1. Trust no-one, then you can't go wrong
#33 Posted: 2012.02.14 02:30
Branic Nolen wrote:
And get this, they were pirates. I see on the forums, people talk bad about pirates, but these pirates were VERY helpfull!!!

But then again, while they were helping me in chat, at the same time I believe they were flying around in their fleet looting players they killedUgh


Most people can tell you that there are some really nice pirates out there,just like there are carebears who are really not the kind of person you can talk to for more then 5 minutes before you want to bash their head trough a wall.

Remember that piracy is just a play style and dosent neceraly (sp) say anything about that player as a person. Most people enjoy blowing stuff up,sorry but its a big part of EVE. The only thing that changes is what they call them selfes. From my exsperiense you can go and find the most hard core pirate out there,show him some respect and he will respect you in return.
But one of the things that gives pirates a bad reputation is that they (normally) do enjoy it when they blew up some poor noob and said noob decides to try and smack talk them or just yell at them for it. In most cases you will find that its these same people that will make hate threads on pirates in the forums.

Now for the record,im not a pirate. Im actually very anti pirate. But i know pirates,and some of them i consider good friends,and ofc some was convinsed to join the "good side" Lol

So again...a players prferance in play style does not make them either good or bad as a person. Its all about how you treat them. And ofc there are some people out there that just are assholes,but thats how it is in any game or even real life Smile
Dirt Nap Squad.
#34 Posted: 2012.02.14 03:11
You can trust:
-The Mittani
-DBRB
-DBRB's Dog
-Montolio
-Me

Do not even think twice about using us as third party services.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 Posted: 2012.02.14 20:25  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
New players often have problems adapting to the sandbox principle of eve.
After finishing the tutorial, many expect the game to take them by the hand and lead them around- but this won't happen, the players make the stories and adventures in eve.
So, after you have finished the tutorial, I would recommend you to be trusing to other players. Just do it.
They could turn out as nice guys and you will stick together for longer time, maybe form a corp together etc.
Or- and this is much more likely- they will rob you, blow your ship up and kill your pilot- after wich you are out for revenge and try to pay it back to them some day.
Either way is good for you, because both ways will draw you into player generated content and make the game an interesting adventure for you.
If you play it safe all the time and trust no one you will be relatively safe from scamming and robbing, but the game will become so boring for you that you might quit after several weeks.
I'm just going to walk the Earth. You know, like Caine in Kung Fu: walk from place to place, meet people, get into adventures and die of autoerotic asphyxation in a sleazy Thai hotel room.
Gallente Federation
#36 Posted: 2012.02.15 16:02
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
dont take from their can even if they say they wont fire at you

Let's rephrase that: don't take anything from a YELLOW can, even if they say they won't fire at you.
When I'm ratting in starter system I often salvage the wreck and abandon the contents in a blue can for rookie players, but (almost) nobody even look inside, bacause they all heard about can flipping. Such a waste.
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Adhocracy
#37 Posted: 2012.02.15 17:23
Note that if you have nothing to lose, it becomes easier to trust. If you're flying in a cheapo rookie ship or Tech 1 frigate, the only reason someone will trick you to blow you up is for some fleeting laughs, and it costs you not much except a bit of chagrin. If you're flying YOUR BEST SHIP with lots of expensive gear on it or valuable loot in the cargo, then there's an economic incentive to trick you and blow you up.

As a rookie you are largely immune to being scammed because you have nothing to take. Use the opportunity to be adventurous now, before there's a huge target over your head later.
#38 Posted: 2012.02.19 18:06
Lock Randin wrote:
Hi folks,

I was in game last night asking some questions on the Rookie Channel about mining.

I received a private chat invite from an individual, who sent me a link with some information regarding
the questions I was asking.

They then invited me to go on a mission with them, and stated we could continue chatting about mining.

I have heard that people notoriously scam noobies in this game, so I was just wondering if there is a
reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?

Thanks.


You can trust me... I am a pirate, -10.0 security status, with a black scull by my pic in game. That means I have trust points. P
Caldari State
#39 Posted: 2012.02.19 23:17
You can trust TEST.
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