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[CSM] May Summit Day 1 Quick Report

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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-31 11:19:59 UTC
Quick update on Day 1 of the summit. Sorry if this is a bit of a teaser of a post, but we don't want to spoil the minutes.

CSM Intro / White Paper

We discussed a broad range of procedural topics, including reforms to the CSM election process and possible other structural changes. There will be an internal discussion of these things followed by a public discussion period before anything is decided.

We gave the new meeting recording / remote conference system its first live test, and it seems to work well. We also discussed and will implement some ways to improve the level of detail in the minutes.

What is a Stakeholder?

A very productive discussion with Senior Producer Unifex about the role of the CSM in the development process, in particular release planning. During the next development cycle, some test projects will be undertaken to determine the best way to fold CSM input into the process at earlier stages.

Winter 2012 / EVE Future

Broad discussion of what CCP plans to do in the near, medium and long-term, including some preparation for discussions later in the summit. Some very interesting stuff is going into the pipeline.

The State of Incarna

We got a briefing on the goals CCP has for Incarna. Large parts of this in the minutes may well be NDA'd, but it was a very positive meeting.

Live Events

Closing out the day, we had a session devoted to finding ways to encourage more live events, both CCP-created and also player-created (such as Hulkageddon). Some interesting stuff IMHO.

The final event was an excellent indian dinner at a restaurant fast becoming a CSM favorite. Some of the ideas that came up in conversation were brilliant, demented, or both -- the one about a special event during the Alliance Tournament being in the latter category.

CCP Unifex was sending email notes to himself during the entire dinner, which allowed those seated nearby to consume more than their fair share of the Naan.

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DRONE WALKERS
#2 - 2012-05-31 11:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Sorry if this is a nay sayer post.


But what was the purpose of this again?

Because I literally saw nothing of productive or constructive use in this post....it might as well been completely ignored or dropped.


I mean all you said is you came...you saw....stuff was done but we can't tell you that...so we won't....you ate...and you left.


That's it...nothing else.

Very very poor.

What's the point of saying anything at all if you have literally nothing to say.

Negative? yeah....especially in light of recent events.

PS: And shouldn't this be in jita park since there's literally no content to benefit assembly hall?

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Almost Competent
#3 - 2012-05-31 11:27:43 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Sorry if this is a nay sayer post.


But what was the purpose of this again?

Because I literally saw nothing of productive or constructive use in this post....it might as well been completely ignored or dropped.


I mean all you said is you came...you saw....stuff was done but we can't tell you that...so we won't....you ate...and you left.


That's it...nothing else.

Very very poor.

What's the point of saying anything at all if you have literally nothing to say.

Negative? yeah....especially in light of recent events.

PS: And shouldn't this be in jita park since there's literally no content to benefit assembly hall?


It is a life signt, a reminder, that we as the playerbase are not fogotten by our elected council.

I like it. Keep on.
DRONE WALKERS
#4 - 2012-05-31 11:29:19 UTC
Rhianna Ghost wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Sorry if this is a nay sayer post.


But what was the purpose of this again?

Because I literally saw nothing of productive or constructive use in this post....it might as well been completely ignored or dropped.


I mean all you said is you came...you saw....stuff was done but we can't tell you that...so we won't....you ate...and you left.


That's it...nothing else.

Very very poor.

What's the point of saying anything at all if you have literally nothing to say.

Negative? yeah....especially in light of recent events.

PS: And shouldn't this be in jita park since there's literally no content to benefit assembly hall?


It is a life signt, a reminder, that we as the playerbase are not fogotten by our elected council.

I like it. Keep on.


If you like political bull##### posting and fluff with candies and ice creams with promises of unicorns and rainbows...sure.

Whatever floats your boat.... but I call bull####.

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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#5 - 2012-05-31 11:40:58 UTC
good teaser update, I'll be sure to check the final minutes.

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Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-31 11:41:19 UTC
I am sorry that you are disappointed that, after 10 hours of meetings, a working dinner, and intense discussions late into the night, your sleep-deprived and jetlagged representatives could not produce a detailed multi-page synopsis of the meetings over breakfast and get it NDA-vetted before doing the pre-meeting prep for Day 2.

Given the >100 man-hours of effort that will go into the production of those detailed notes -- they are called minutes -- and your obvious burning need to read them, the only suggestion I can make is that you should run for the next CSM, get elected, and attend the meetings in person. No doubt you will do a much better job of informing the community than the current bunch of incompetents.

Love and Kisses,
Trebor

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DRONE WALKERS
#7 - 2012-05-31 11:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I am sorry that you are disappointed that, after 10 hours of meetings, a working dinner, and intense discussions late into the night, your sleep-deprived and jetlagged representatives could not produce a detailed multi-page synopsis of the meetings over breakfast and get it NDA-vetted before doing the pre-meeting prep for Day 2.

Given the >100 man-hours of effort that will go into the production of those detailed notes -- they are called minutes -- and your obvious burning need to read them, the only suggestion I can make is that you should run for the next CSM, get elected, and attend the meetings in person. No doubt you will do a much better job of informing the community than the current bunch of incompetents.

Love and Kisses,
Trebor



Maybe you should learn to read before you respond.


I got more information out of two-steps posts in Jita park than the horse crap you slung here.

All you've told us is you went to a meeting and dined and thats it.

There is litterally no content.

A simple "We're posting the minutes soon so be patient with us" would have been more productive than the tripe you posted there.

This isn't Jita park...we're not interested in your political grand standing and top hats with canes and monocles posturing.

If your going to communicate...do so with constructive information and not fluff.

Attending "100's of hours meetings" would imply a hell of alot more content than the mere excuse of "NDA".

that's like posting a document with black bars painted on the page...why bother posting in the first place if that's all you got.

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Void Alliance
#8 - 2012-05-31 11:47:42 UTC
Ah, you gotta love your loyal fanbase P
Mercenary Coalition
#9 - 2012-05-31 11:50:26 UTC
The way this works is that we are basically in meetings from about 0830 until 1800 local time with a few short breaks for three days straight. We then all head out to dinner for some ~real talk~ chill time with the devs where a lot of the stuff discussed during the day that we ran out of time for gets delved into more deeply. Trebor managed to throw this quick summary together (as he always manages to do somehow) to give people at least a minimal update of our impressions of that day's sessions. After we all fly home, we'll start working on the minutes. While that is going on I will write up a blog that goes into a bit more detail about the summit as a whole. More info is coming, obviously, but as the summit progresses it seems like folks would want to know, at minimum, that things are going well and there have been no 'Incarna-level' type events take place yet. v0v

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#10 - 2012-05-31 12:00:22 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
I got more information out of two-steps posts in Jita park than the horse crap you slung here.


Which ones?
A Band Apart.
#11 - 2012-05-31 12:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Kaine
Dude, for real? What was political about that. Here's what I learned: CSM election process and structure are being looked into, Incarna discussons were started on day one, always good, more ccp/player hosted live events. And who doesn't like a dinner story. You should thank your god of preference that trebor is there and posting and not darius.
DRONE WALKERS
#12 - 2012-05-31 12:53:53 UTC
Xavier Kaine wrote:
Dude, for real? What was political about that. Here's what I learned: CSM election process and structure are being looked into, Incarna discussons were started on day one, always good, more ccp/player hosted live events. And who doesn't like a dinner story. You should thank your god of preference that trebor is there and posting and not darius.


Hillarious....seriously..thats funny.


Mara - Oh the bulk of the threads where people are actually discussing crap that should be in this forum....my point is theres something constructive going on over there.

This is just grandstanding.


Oh sure...we are "doing stuff"

Ok....

"But we can't tell you what it is"

Yeah....sure..... let us know when you actually start doing something. Thanks. Roll

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Northern Coalition.
#13 - 2012-05-31 13:47:45 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Xavier Kaine wrote:
Dude, for real? What was political about that. Here's what I learned: CSM election process and structure are being looked into, Incarna discussons were started on day one, always good, more ccp/player hosted live events. And who doesn't like a dinner story. You should thank your god of preference that trebor is there and posting and not darius.


Hillarious....seriously..thats funny.


Mara - Oh the bulk of the threads where people are actually discussing crap that should be in this forum....my point is theres something constructive going on over there.

This is just grandstanding.


Oh sure...we are "doing stuff"

Ok....

"But we can't tell you what it is"

Yeah....sure..... let us know when you actually start doing something. Thanks. Roll



Look at the CFC member crying guys.
#14 - 2012-05-31 14:29:29 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Sorry if this is a nay sayer post.


But what was the purpose of this again?

Because I literally saw nothing of productive or constructive use in this post....it might as well been completely ignored or dropped.


I mean all you said is you came...you saw....stuff was done but we can't tell you that...so we won't....you ate...and you left.


That's it...nothing else.

Very very poor.

What's the point of saying anything at all if you have literally nothing to say.

Negative? yeah....especially in light of recent events.

PS: And shouldn't this be in jita park since there's literally no content to benefit assembly hall?




Sorry Drake, I usually agree with most of what you say, but over the last couple of days you've started making yourself sound like a complete tool. You spent all that time trolling the other topic to say CSM wasn't comunicative enough with us, and now that you got what you wanted your complaining that they were actually paying attention to the player base..

Just grow up man, seriously. Its nice to get an update from time to time, even if there isn't a great deal of content in it.

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#15 - 2012-05-31 14:42:25 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Rhianna Ghost wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Sorry if this is a nay sayer post.


But what was the purpose of this again?

Because I literally saw nothing of productive or constructive use in this post....it might as well been completely ignored or dropped.


I mean all you said is you came...you saw....stuff was done but we can't tell you that...so we won't....you ate...and you left.


That's it...nothing else.

Very very poor.

What's the point of saying anything at all if you have literally nothing to say.

Negative? yeah....especially in light of recent events.

PS: And shouldn't this be in jita park since there's literally no content to benefit assembly hall?


It is a life signt, a reminder, that we as the playerbase are not fogotten by our elected council.

I like it. Keep on.


If you like political bull##### posting and fluff with candies and ice creams with promises of unicorns and rainbows...sure.

Whatever floats your boat.... but I call bull####.


I am as quick as anyone else to hold the CSM's feet to the fire, but I call bull### on you, here.

Two step is secretary, and if he's putting out more informative posts that would be appropriate, that's his office.

Trebor is near-live blogging an NDA'ed event. I think maybe you should cut him some slack here. Save the condemnation for a case where it is deserved.

Thanks for the update, Trebor.


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#16 - 2012-05-31 14:59:49 UTC
Hey, Trebor got a fan - of sorts.
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Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-31 15:07:36 UTC
Thanks for the update Trebor. Keep it up.
#18 - 2012-05-31 15:09:34 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I am sorry that you are disappointed that, after 10 hours of meetings, a working dinner, and intense discussions late into the night, your sleep-deprived and jetlagged representatives could not produce a detailed multi-page synopsis of the meetings over breakfast and get it NDA-vetted before doing the pre-meeting prep for Day 2.

Given the >100 man-hours of effort that will go into the production of those detailed notes -- they are called minutes -- and your obvious burning need to read them, the only suggestion I can make is that you should run for the next CSM, get elected, and attend the meetings in person. No doubt you will do a much better job of informing the community than the current bunch of incompetents.

Love and Kisses,
Trebor



Maybe you should learn to read before you respond.


I got more information out of two-steps posts in Jita park than the horse crap you slung here.

All you've told us is you went to a meeting and dined and thats it.

There is litterally no content.

A simple "We're posting the minutes soon so be patient with us" would have been more productive than the tripe you posted there.

This isn't Jita park...we're not interested in your political grand standing and top hats with canes and monocles posturing.

If your going to communicate...do so with constructive information and not fluff.

Attending "100's of hours meetings" would imply a hell of alot more content than the mere excuse of "NDA".

that's like posting a document with black bars painted on the page...why bother posting in the first place if that's all you got.



To paraphrase a previous statement you made to me about my right to have my say:

Perhaps you should be a CSM for 6 Months (Minimum) before you make any suggestions on the way they work!

I think most of us got plenty out of it and are glad to hear things are coming along well. And it state very clearly it was but a teaser. So i can only suggest that
Drake Draconis wrote:
Maybe you should learn to read before you respond.
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-31 15:10:57 UTC
Nice writeup Treb. As a side note, can you give Greyscale, Ytterbium, and other devs a spork with "Dev Blogs are good" engraved on them? Just to remind them that dev blogs of changes are good.
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-31 15:35:38 UTC
CSM is constantly encouraging CCP to communicate more, and at the earliest possible stage in the process. I think you'll see more of this during the summer.

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