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Goons "legalising" botting!!

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The Apostle
#1 - 2011-09-28 21:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
We all know it goes on. We all ***** and complain and moan about it. But THIS drew my ire.

GoonSwarm Federation Alliance Update – September 28th

Quote:
Blue-On-Blue Violence

This is a sensitive – even a touchy – subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter – a very keen ratter if we are honest – we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons. Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either:

But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoples’ liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****** to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble as all we know is that someone shot blues.


So at what point does an alliance, with it's head as THE CSM CHAIRMAN, allow bots, WHICH IS AGAINST THE EULA, and ACTIVELY THREATEN MEMBERS WITH EXPULSION if they should report said bots.

I know for a fact that several corps/alliances have a zero tolerance for bots, including a DekCo kiss buddy alliance called FA. Hoorah to Zag for that!

But for Goons to threaten expulsion flies directly in the face of the EULA. Surely even encouraging/harbouring such activity must be embedded into the EULA immediately. NO-ONE should have ANY tolerance for bots let alone SUPPORT them.

I call on CCP to start banning CORPS and ALLIANCES for ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING botting, knowingly and in the face of it being downright illegal ingame.

And for the sensible Goons (are there any?), if you think you can be threatened with expulsion for bot-reporting, just remember that no CEO will know, or can know, if you reported the cheating, thieving SOB!!

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Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-09-28 22:08:28 UTC
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
The Apostle
#3 - 2011-09-28 22:12:40 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?

So if you're under the impression that this is NOT being said (which it clearly does), then please, report all your bots, you'll be fine won't you?

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Revajin
#4 - 2011-09-28 22:12:55 UTC
Goons are botting? The Mittani not actually giving a **** about EVE and just being an attention *****/looking out for Goon interests? This news is exciting and fresh.
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2011-09-28 22:15:21 UTC
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
Circle-Of-Two
#6 - 2011-09-28 22:15:59 UTC
Well , to point the obvious :

Quote:

But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoples’ liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****** to report him or to kill him.


And , you know , unless he really got NO LIFE at all , it's against the Eula , because he :

- Is Botting
- Is sharing his account with other people in order to get more profit

And both of them are prohibited by the EULA
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2011-09-28 22:17:06 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?


Oh really cause its spelled all out in there.


Leme help you out a bit:

Quote:
we have one rule in Goonswarm: we don’t **** other goons


Theres another line in there about not being CCP's cops but you know, this was just a single quote.

Don't try to hide from it, if you're embracing it, embrace it, you guys bot, no big deal, CCP aren't going to ban any of you because they lost something like 20% of their subs (fairly constantly rumored number) over the summer.

Sure sure they keep up appearances by some dev coming in the thread and sighting how botting is against the EULA, but lets seriously step back and take a look:

At this point if they banned all the bots too, they would be about out of players.

So year, Goons bot, RUS bots, AAA bots, RAIDEN. bots, would no longer shock me to find that PL guys bot too (though if we catch them we have a special hell to send them to).

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Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2011-09-28 22:21:49 UTC
I must have missed that part in the EULA that says alliances have to enforce CCP`s laws.

Also, the copy pasta you quoted makes no mention of any botting activities, it just reminds members of a certain alliance and coalition of alliances not to shoot blues if they hoard all the havens or sanctums in a system for a large amount of time. Large entities have their own rules and if you fail to respect them I think it`s fair to get the boot.

If you want to do some good in regards to botting, fly to some major mission hubs and have a look on dscan for CNRs that belong to characters not even two months old and are in a 1 man player corporation with 0% tax.

And stop being a ******.

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#9 - 2011-09-28 22:22:53 UTC
No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question: Are you a goon alt?
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2011-09-28 22:24:47 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question: Are you a goon alt?



THEY'RE ON TO ME
#11 - 2011-09-28 22:26:04 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?

You need to try harder then that, or are you really that dense?
#12 - 2011-09-28 22:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: KaarBaak
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?


^^This.

I see where it says "don't report alliance mates who rat for 17-18 hours and ignore your convos" but I'm still missing the part about botting.

I hate botters as much as the next pilot, but reporting a blue player to CCP because they're botting all day and not taking your calls is pretty crappy thing to do in ANY alliance.

Dum Spiro Spero

The Apostle
#13 - 2011-09-28 22:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Quote:
No where in your "quote" is any one actively encouraging or promoting botting. BTW the "leaked" version of that I have seen then goes on to provide the direction that members of that alliance should take to sort out the problem -> report suspects to diplomatic team and let alliance sort it out. You are intentionally taking things out of context to cause drama which raises the question:

Let me clarify my position. It IS NOT a corp/alliance issue to determine if bots should/should not be reported. Botting is in direct violation of the EULA and as such ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER has the right, without threat of "retaliation", to report said bot. So it is in no way out of context. Put simply, it is not a "diplo's" call at ANY time.

To threaten expulsion (which is PLAINLY implied if not stated) for reporting blues should also NOT be a corp/alliance issue.

And what definition of "encouraging" and "promoting" would you like? It's not a case of "ohh.. yeah, it happens", it's a case of "report them and get kicked buddy!".

Quote:
I must have missed that part in the EULA that says alliances have to enforce CCP`s laws.

Which is exactly my point above. But nor is it a corp/alliance responsibility to tell players/members how to handle bots either.

Aliiances and corps either actively engage a policy to destroy suspected bots (I mean, you can shoot anybody for no reason) or they can "turn a blind eye" which I have no problem with as long as members can report as they see fit.

It's the implication of expulsion for reporting (which I repeat is CLEARLY IMPLIED) that is sooooo wrong! That IS NOT an alliance or corp call to make. Period.

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Sebero Sinak
#14 - 2011-09-28 22:42:20 UTC
I've quit playing Eve but came back for about 10 days of playing around the 12th - 22nd. All i did was hunt bots for the hell of it.

CCP banned 5 bots/isk farmers running transportation missions out of Eddar VIII i reported.

After finishing with them I was curious about the Goons so using Dotlan map i chose the red colored system of Goons (meaning it had the most npc kills in 24 hrs ) and went there in a cloaked frigate. S-DN5M

I found plenty of live players willing to engage me (if they could find me ). I found no wrecks at belts i visited and no goons - till they started flooding the belts trying to find me.

What I did find was more of the npc anomolies then i cared to try to count. I don't really care about 0.0 but i hate bots and that is why i went there - to see for myself. All i saw was players running those sites.

Thats what i found..you draw your own conclusions.

My opinion is every friggin alliance has some bot users - seems eve attracts the type.
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-09-28 22:44:37 UTC
I dont beleive you - the 'goo' in goons stands for good!
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-28 22:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?


You don't read contracts when you sign them, do you?

or

When your company says it has jobs that noone is willing to do which is how it justifies hiring illegals, you believe it don't you?

or

When your company says that you're fired and then opens hiring for your position to out of country workers stating "We just can't find enough programmers", you believe that too, don't you?

or

When your Senator states that state contracts going to his/her largest contributor disproportionately is mere coincidence, you believe that too?

You've got to learn to read between the lines, otherwise you're a f*$king lemming.

Don't ban me, bro!

#17 - 2011-09-28 22:49:59 UTC
Ratting/Mission running bots = should be bannable.



Mining bots should be allowed AND SUPPLIED by CCP untill they do something about mining so it doesnt make you want to jump out of your'e local 20 story office building.


Seriously, click, click, 3min wait......... repeat for 5 hours.


People have more fun station spinning......






Back to topic - Wakeup eve community.

All the big alliancs (ESPECIALY the big one that everyone is now worried will take over all of 0.0) are big into bots. And are enjoying the cofmort CCP's latest "hey lets see how many players we can get to ragequit over NeX!!!" stint, as now CCP arnt banning the botters for fear of loosing further money from subscriptions.
Ironworks
#18 - 2011-09-28 22:55:38 UTC
I remember Goons threatening to reset TEST cause TEST killed a single goon bot in F-88, i just lol'd.

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The Apostle
#19 - 2011-09-28 22:57:24 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?


You don't read contracts when you sign them, do you?
........
You've got to learn to read between the lines, otherwise you're a f*$king lemming.

Have no fear. He knows EXACTLY what my post states. Anyone saying the post is not threatening expulsion for reporting bots is obfuscating the posts intent.

It's just their way to dumb down the topic. Troll 101

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Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-09-28 23:02:21 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?


Oh and we don’t play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either:
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