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Dev blog: Corporation Recruitment Improvements for Retribution 1.1

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C C P Alliance
#1 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:17  |  Edited by: CCP Gargant
Our February point release EVE Online: Retribution 1.1 is approaching swiftly to bring you exciting content and useful improvements.

Read CCP Fear's latest dev blog about Corporation recruitment improvements which will make live considerably easier for both applicants and recruiters in all the player run corporations of New Eden (and we have plenty of them).

The dev blog is available here.

We welcome you to use this thread for your constructive feedback!
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager
Minmatar Republic
#2 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:18  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
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Edit : kinda hollow without Punkturis around...

\o/ automated welcome mails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttention111111oneone

I always forget about these, thanks!

Nulla Curas
C C P Alliance
#3 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:21
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Sleeper Social Club
#4 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:23
Welcome changes for ROs!
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#5 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:23
Very nice! WIll we be able to send invites to DUST 514 characters, and can they accept them? I have some rather daft friends.

Keep up the good work CCP!
Free 2 Play
#6 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:26
one thing about recruitment that i'd love to see, would be that
i can invite people to join the fantastic world behind the eve gate,
by mail, by link or whatever,

and they will be placed in the newbie corp of my alliance.
(and that would be enough of a reward to me)
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C C P Alliance
#7 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:28
Peter Powers wrote:
one thing about recruitment that i'd love to see, would be that
i can invite people to join the fantastic world behind the eve gate,
by mail, by link or whatever,

and they will be placed in the newbie corp of my alliance.
(and that would be enough of a reward to me)


This intrigues me. Can you explain yourself a little better?
CCP Sisyphus | Team TriLambda | Team Klang | @CCP_Sisyphus
#8 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:32
Whoever is responsible for this is probably going to have a lot of beers from E-UNI recruiters at FanFest...

An automated/custom rejection mail would be good too, as the current one is "WE DON'T LIKE YOU. REJECTED!", but I'll settle for this. For now. :)

How does this interact with DUST? I assume the next DUST release will have its version of Apply>Accept>Mail>Join also, or will it stay with the current mechanics?
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University (Retired)
C C P Alliance
#9 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:33
Peter Powers wrote:
one thing about recruitment that i'd love to see, would be that
i can invite people to join the fantastic world behind the eve gate,
by mail, by link or whatever,

and they will be placed in the newbie corp of my alliance.
(and that would be enough of a reward to me)


I like it! There are some definite technical hurdles we might have to look into but in general I like the idea.
#10 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:35
Peter Powers wrote:
...by mail, by link or whatever,

and they will be placed in the newbie corp of my alliance.

WTB link for alliance spais.
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University (Retired)
Naquatech Syndicate
#11 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:43
Looks promising Smile
C C P Alliance
#12 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:46
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Whoever is responsible for this is probably going to have a lot of beers from E-UNI recruiters at FanFest...

An automated/custom rejection mail would be good too, as the current one is "WE DON'T LIKE YOU. REJECTED!", but I'll settle for this. For now. :)

How does this interact with DUST? I assume the next DUST release will have its version of Apply>Accept>Mail>Join also, or will it stay with the current mechanics?


Any member of Pony Express will gladly share a drink with all those willing and able during Fanfest! Big smile

Allowing editing of the other mails sent out should not pose any serious problems. Will bring it up with the team.

As for DUST, it will stay with the current mechanics. I am not aware of any pending changes to that.
Joint Venture Conglomerate
#13 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:48
Looks good although I still haven't worked out how to get the recruitment search to work reliably.
Fear God and Thread Nought
#14 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:49
Awesome stuff! I have few suggestions. Can we get a email added for when a applicant applies to the corp? That way corps can provide additional instructions upon applying to the corp (i.e. sign up for corp forums, where to send the API keys to, install teamspeak, etc...).
Otherworld Empire
#15 Posted: 2013.02.07 16:55
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#16 Posted: 2013.02.07 17:19
Good stuff. Anything that make recruiters and directors lives a little easier is worth hundreds of times the hours spent coding it.

And Fear, I'm sorry that someone decided to release your blog 3 hours after the epic skill change juggernaut. I feel like these great changes aren't going to get the attention they deserve.
C C P Alliance
#17 Posted: 2013.02.07 17:27
SkyMeetFire wrote:
Good stuff. Anything that make recruiters and directors lives a little easier is worth hundreds of times the hours spent coding it.


Thats the hope.
We'll be eagerly watching to see how ya''ll use this :)
CCP Sisyphus | Team TriLambda | Team Klang | @CCP_Sisyphus
C C P Alliance
#18 Posted: 2013.02.07 17:36
Valkyrs wrote:
Very nice! WIll we be able to send invites to DUST 514 characters, and can they accept them? I have some rather daft friends.

Keep up the good work CCP!


No, DUST characters will follow the old scheme of things so that once you accept the application they're yoinked into your corp. And then if I don't fix the defect I have they'll never be able to apply to it again if they ever leave it. But I plan on fixing that so don't worry. But whether or not DUST will move to this system in their next client update is unknown and not for Team Pony Express to decide. Blink

As for the "Rejected Application" notification we reworked that a bit. It now contains more things such as politeness and less of all caps words with negative connotations.

I don't want to promise anything about any other sort of automatic mails, but you can always leave instructions in your fancypants recruitment ads. Recruitment ads are great! Everybody should have at least three! Teen! Threeteen! I made that number up. FANCY! Lol

As for FanFest promises of sweet, sweet libations I will of course gladly accept. It will perhaps numb some of the painful memories associated with learning to work our UI framework for more than a spreadsheet and a button. But I have CCP Karkur sitting a meter away from me so that all worked out in the end. So it was really a team effort to get this done while keeping me from going postal. So they all deserve liquid gratitude! And I believe CCP Fear prefers champagne Blink
CCP Prism X
Programmer
Team Gridlock
Gatekeepers Universe
#19 Posted: 2013.02.07 17:39
Excellent changes. Especially the welcome mail - please, as mentioned above, look into making the other mails editable too... (Rejection/Kicked)

A looong time ago, another account of mine was a recruitment officer at EVE-Uni, and another major frustration was trying to clear-out the backlog of applicants that hadn't actually attended their interviews. We had to go through several hundred old applications from months past and reject them one-by-one... It was soul destroying work.

Can you make it possible to select (and reject, etc.) multiple applications in one go...? It's been a while since I had to do this, so if that's been fixed recently I apologise...
#20 Posted: 2013.02.07 17:39
What I think would be nice is the ability to have two mails or two mail sections.

One is the standard acceptance/rejection mail; "We live in this station in this system and you should sign up to forums [here] and join TS server [here]", but also have a personalized mail along the lines of "We heard from [person] that you have lots of skills in using logi ships and would like for you to talk to [person] about getting in on our fleets".

That way I can keep a chunk standard for everyone we bring in but I can give the personalized touch for people that have special referrals or roles that they will be dropped into.

Maybe we could even have 3 sections? Standard corp-wide stuff, a role based one, and a personal one.

Standard: "Home station is [here], TS is [here]"
Role, PVPer/Logi: Fleet doctrine is armor tanking with mainly amarrian ships, check corporate fittings to see our standard combat and logi fits.
Personal: I heard you have a carrier that needs moving up, talk to [person] about getting cyno out here.

And on that note it would be awesome if you could pre-assign a title or set of roles to a person upon joining so that they automatically can gain access to certain hangers and such. I could automatically have all new pilots be assigned a newbie role with query rights on all hangers and access rights on none of them with their "base" being set to our HQ.

It sucks recruiting half a dozen people as a group at once and then having to remember at some point to go find them in the corp member list to assign their roles.

Along the lines of what Peter Powers was talking about I think it would be awesome if we could create referral links. Exactly like how the EVE buddy system works but in-game. It would tell the person reviewing the application that [character] referred this person to the corp. If we're in an alliance we should be able to refer them to a corp in the alliance besides our own so that Peter could refer newbs to a newb training corp.

And can we PLEASE get some more concrete ways to verify roles have been updated properly? Our problem is doing **** like:
"Okay how bout now?"
"Nope"
"Open and close the window?"
"Nope"
"undock and redock?"
"Nope"
"Try a relog?"
"Okay I can get to the hanger now..."

Hanger access and wallet access debugging is a *****...
The Drake is a Lie
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