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[Odyssey] T1 Cruiser Polish Pass

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C C P Alliance
#1 Posted: 2013.03.27 16:52  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Hello again everyone. Just as we did with the T1 frigates, we've done a quick pass over the T1 cruisers to look for obvious places where they needed adjustment. As always it's important to note that changes like these take time to settle into the EVE meta, so we want to make small changes and watch the results. Once past the initial tiericide maintaining these ships is a lot like seasoning a soup, take it slow and adjust to taste.

So here's our first set of follow-up tweaks to help with little issues that have appeared surrounding T1 cruisers.

The changes include a reduction to the electronics systems on the Support Cruisers (Lock range, scan resolution and sensor strength) to make them more vulnerable to electronic warfare and further distinguish them from their tech two counterparts.
We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.

Adjustments are:

Augoror:
-2.5km Lock Range
-85 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength

Exequror:
-70 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength

Osprey:
-2.5km Lock Range
-70 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength

Scythe:
-85 Scan Resolution
-1 Sensor Strength

Omen:
-600,000 Mass

Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth


And the full ship stats for reference with changes highlighted and underlined.

Augoror:
Role bonuses: +1000% remote armor repair system and energy transfer array range. +200% energy transfer amount
Amarr Cruiser bonuses: -5% remote armor repair system capacitor use and +12.5% remote armor repair system amount per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 3 M, 5 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 650 PWG, 275 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1000 / 1650 / 1550
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1500 / 300 s / 5
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 210 / 0.68 / 10730000 / 6.8 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20 / 20
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km (-2.5) / 300 (-85) / 8
Sensor strength: 13 (-1) Radar
Signature radius: 90

Osprey:
Role bonuses: +1000% to shield transfer and energy transfer array range. +200% energy transfer amount
Caldari Cruiser bonuses: -5% shield transfer capacitor use and +12.5% shield transfer repair amount per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 5 M, 3 L, 1 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 425 PWG, 410 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1650 / 1000 / 1450
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1375 / 275 s / 5
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 200 / 0.59 / 11230000 / 6.2 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20 / 20
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 62.5km (-2.5) / 280 (-70) / 8
Sensor strength: 15 (-1) Gravimetric
Signature radius: 95

Exequror:
Role bonuses: +1000% remote armor repair system range and +100% drone repair amount
Gallente Cruiser bonuses: -5% remote armor repair system capacitor use and +12.5% remote armor repair system amount per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 6 L, 3 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 610 PWG, 275 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1000 / 1400 / 1600
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1375 / 264 s / 5.2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 295 (-70) / 8
Sensor strength: 14 (-1) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 80

Scythe:
Role bonuses: +1000% to shield transfer and +100% drone repair amount
Minmatar Cruiser bonuses: -5% shield transfer capacitor use and +12.5% shield transfer repair amount per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 5 L, 2 turrets, 1 launchers
Fittings: 310 PWG, 315 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1400 / 1100 / 1300
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1250 / 240 s / 5.2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250 / 0.6 / 11110000 / 6.2 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 / 45
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 315 (-85) / 8
Sensor strength: 12 (-1) Ladar
Signature radius: 75


Omen:
Amarr Cruiser bonuses: -5% medium energy turret rate of fire and -10% medium energy turret capacitor use per level
Slot layout: 5 H, 3 M, 6 L, 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 925 PWG, 315 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1200 / 1700 / 1500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1475 / 526 s / 2.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 235 / 0.51 / 11050000 (-600,000) / 5.3s (-0.3)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 40 / 40
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 300 / 6
Sensor strength: 15 Radar
Signature radius: 115

Stabber:
Minmatar Cruiser bonuses: -5% medium projectile turret rate of fire and +10% (+2.5) medium projectile turret falloff per level
Slot layout: 6 H, 4 M, 4 L, 4 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 715 PWG, 340 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1600 / 1300 / 1300
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 1200 / 428 s / 2.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 290 / 0.5 / 11400000 / 5.3 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+25) / 25 (+25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 47.5km / 320 / 5
Sensor strength: 13 Ladar
Signature radius: 100

As usual, feedback is desired and we'll be getting them onto the test servers for public testing as soon as possible.
Exodus.
#2 Posted: 2013.03.27 16:55  |  Edited by: Hoarr
Nice tweaks Fozzie.

The stabber changes are especially welcome. It was by far the weakest attack cruiser.
Unsettled.
#3 Posted: 2013.03.27 16:57
Good stuff.
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#4 Posted: 2013.03.27 16:58  |  Edited by: Litt Up
This should get Sort Dragon to login, lmao


And does that stabber chage effect the sfi?
Goonswarm Federation
#5 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:00
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.


Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?
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Pandemic Legion
#6 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:00
This can't be right, in the other thread they said you don't care and don't play. I see your tricks, I WON'T BE FOOLED.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
#7 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:01
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Stabber:
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth

More drone bays for ships again? The drone ships are looking less land less attractive each patch.
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#8 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:11  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
mynnna wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.


Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?


i guess their logs show stuffz

edit: does any one use those repair drones? i still think its a rather lame bonus tbh...
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The Initiative.
#9 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:12
I don't suppose you could add a tiny bit of lock range to the Scythe? It needs a couple hundred meters more as right now with skill to 5, it locks 65.63km and the reppers go to 66km. The Exequror by comparison locks to 68.75km with the same 66km rep range.
C C P Alliance
#10 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:14
mynnna wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.


Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?


Couple of ways. The more subjective judgement from flying with them and watching for them on TQ (and following feedback in multiple places) plays a part, but objectively I can say for instance that the number of people getting on killmails with Omens and Stabbers on a daily basis is clustered quite significantly lower than Caracals and Thorax.
#11 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:16
ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...

two very different things there bro...
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Exodus.
#12 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:18
MeBiatch wrote:
ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...

two very different things there bro...


Where's the place bounty button on the forums?
Triumvirate.
#13 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:23
Nice changes.

While I tend to fly t1 logis alot, I agree that it is only fair that the t2 ones get a bigger advantage.

Stabber changes are welcome aswell. Adding drones to the stabber haven't really been what I have thought about to fix its dps, it is still better than nothing. But what about supporting the split weapon layout instead? Like letting the ROF bonus (and maybe also range) affect missiles as well.
#14 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:23
nice falloff compensation for the minmatar motivated TE nerf. don't know what to say.
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#15 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:25
Hoarr wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
ok i am confused because you are using a capital P it sounds like you are making a Polish Pass not a polish pass...

two very different things there bro...


Where's the place bounty button on the forums?


its called the dictionary:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Polish

its just funny because for the last month i was thinking they were making Polish Passes and i was like wtf is that...

now i am literally LMAO... at my stupidness...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Goonswarm Federation
#16 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:25
CCP Fozzie wrote:
mynnna wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.


Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?


Couple of ways. The more subjective judgement from flying with them and watching for them on TQ (and following feedback in multiple places) plays a part, but objectively I can say for instance that the number of people getting on killmails with Omens and Stabbers on a daily basis is clustered quite significantly lower than Caracals and Thorax.


Thereby indicating that people think the ships aren't good enough to be using. That's about what I figured, I was just curious. Smile
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#17 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:29
that lower mass on the omen whats its max speed with a mwd on now? seems like it will be pretty good now...

not sure the stabber needed 5 lights perhaps 3 max tbh...
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Amarr Empire
#18 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:32
What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay.
#19 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:35
Boris Amarr wrote:
What about rebalancing Navy Omen? Now Navy Omen costs a lot but in comparison with omen is gloomy. Navy Omen need speed like Omen has and drone bay.

They will do navy ships after the T1 ships or somewhere in that area, but not just because they rebalanced a T1 hull that has a navy variant.
You should take this opportunity to capitalize on the poor navy hulls, then when they become good sell for huge profit.
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#20 Posted: 2013.03.27 17:35
Excellent changes Fozzie, I can not wait to give the Stabber a Stab.

MeBiatch wrote:

its called the dictionary:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Polish

its just funny because for the last month i was thinking they were making Polish Passes and i was like wtf is that...

now i am literally LMAO... at my stupidness...

Caught me for a moment too on the previous threads. I read Polish pass on the first read and was like wait...
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