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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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#1 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:23  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
So it has been a day of reading up on your comments throughout the forums and social media and I appreciate that many of you have been rational and reasoned in your views. As a result, we have looked at the situation and we will make some pretty significant changes to this prize structure which still allows players to gain something truly amazing but does not impact the overall history of EVE Online. Since I made my first post as a FAQ, I will continue that pattern and explain a little about the decision process.

Q1, So what are these changes you are talking about and why change it at all?

A1, Let me address the second question first. We grossly underestimated the impact of these historical legacy ships and how they would impact players, especially those who have been in our universe for close to a decade or more. We have taken this feedback on board and will amend the prize structure accordingly. The two prize items which really caused the most vocal dissent were the Gold Magnate and Guardian Vexor, a total of 5 ships. We have decided to remove these as prizes and replace them with a different option.

During the live presentation of our winter expansion announcement on Thursday, September 26 at 20:00 UTC we will be unveiling what players can expect to see with this release. Part of the expansion involves new models coming for everyone in the shape of a new cruiser and frigate. I will not elaborate on what they are just now but you can see them in all of their glory by watching our Twitch stream. What we will offer players as an alternative is as follows:

• Prize 1 (previously a Gold Magnate) will now become the option of either [a unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] or [an all-expense paid trip to Fanfest 2014]

• Prize 2 (previously a Gold Magnate) will now become the option of either [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] or [an all-expense paid trip to Fanfest 2014]

• Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin]

• Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin]

• Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin]

These new cruisers will be unique assets that will be owned only by these players. We will not give these out again.

Q2, I still don’t get it. Why a third party to give this stuff away?

A2, Growing community initiatives is something which is very important to us. Some of our fansites and third party outlets have 10 followers while others have tens of thousands. What we want to do is look at opportunities to foster goodwill with a range of sites and allow situations where we can support them and help them grow. As a result, we will be looking at putting a process in place which allows individual sites to run promotions which are sponsored by CCP. This may not always be unique ships or Fanfest trips but could be some signed artwork to give away or PLEX to hand out.

We have looked at this as a trial version of a program we would like to develop over time. In this instance, we jumped the gun and went too far.

Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?

A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged.

Q4, So will you move all valuable in-game giveaways internally now?

A4, We want to address this in our upcoming process discussion surrounding 3rd party sponsorship. We want to provide as much support for our community as possible, and one of the most meaningful ways to do that is with special, rare or limited edition items on Tranquility. We need to investigate whether that approach is ultimately positive for EVE before we make a decision about whether future item giveaways should be done only directly from CCP.

Many thanks for all of your patience during this time and we hope this explains some of our thinking. We would also like to address the role of SOMER Blink in this change. They have had three years of constantly delivering on every blink, blast and bonk they have organized. Clearly, this is going to change in this circumstance and this is not their fault in the slightest. We are aware players have played blinks to get involved in the lottery and there is nothing we can do to reverse those transactions. We believe the replacement prizes are of such a high value as to be equal compensation.
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Sleeper Social Club
#2 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:26  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
First :)

Edit:

While the changes are indeed nice. Me and other CSM members still share concerns over the following things:

1. Giving away ships through a single player driven entity and excluding others.
2. Giving away a lot of in-game value to a profit driven entity.
3. Trusting EvE players to distribute very unique ships in a fashion they deem right.
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Otherworld Empire
#3 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:26  |  Edited by: Chribba
Glad to see that you reviewed these giveaways and decided to do something different of them. Our history and what is created with said history is one of the key things of EVE - so glad to see this!

More thoughts might come, but this is my initial one.

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#4 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:28
Psychotic Tendencies.
#5 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:28  |  Edited by: CAAN0N
Andski wrote:
You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.


And they listened +1 CCP
#6 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:28  |  Edited by: DJWiggles
CCP Navigator wrote:

These new cruisers will be unique assets that will be owned only by these players. We will not give these out again.


Please make sure this is on post-it notes EVERYWHERE IN THE OFFICE!!!!!!!
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#7 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:28
Well done, sir!

And (in IMHO) a good decision.
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Goonswarm Federation
#8 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:29
Chribba wrote:
Second


Seriously? we're doing this?
Goonswarm Federation
#9 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:29
How, exactly, do I get trillions of isk worth of things to make a private in-game profit on for goonfleet.com, a much more significant site than this?
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nulli Secunda
#10 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:29
<3
GRRR Goons
Pandemic Legion
#11 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:29
Easily First.
Pandemic Legion
#12 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:29
were nerds actually crying about ships that will never be flown by anyone other than Duncan or Dancul?
Goonswarm Federation
#13 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:30
How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?
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#14 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:30
James Arget wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1258/
Link is relevant and I'm guilty of this as well lol
#15 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:30
So can I have gold magnate if you dont give it away to somer blink?

Please. Cool
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Pandemic Legion
#16 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:31
Andski wrote:
How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?


Nobody expects the Ands-quisition.
#17 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:31
If A2 still means that Somer can generate income from this, it still stinks.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:32
I mean let's be clear: SOMER Blink isn't a "fan site" it's a mechanism for in-game profit. So, please to be giving goonfleet.com the vast array of riches we deserve for our site that exists purely to support our in-game enterprises.
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#19 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:32
Fir...

FUUUUU!
Goonswarm Federation
#20 Posted: 2013.09.26 19:32  |  Edited by: Innominate
Way to miss the point.

The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.

YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

Edit:
I would like to run a promotion, you can send me one (1) coupon good for an all expenses paid trip to fanfest, I promise my winning of my own lottery will be entirely fair and well accounted for.
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