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[November] Orca Changes

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#1 - 2016-10-04 13:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Hey folks! This will be the specific feedback thread for the Orca revamp coming this November.
You can check out the dev blog here for the whole context.
Other feedback threads are available for the Porpoise, Rorqual, and the mining foreman gameplay as a whole.

ORCA
Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship cargo capacity and ore hold
3% bonus to Mining Foreman Burst Strength and Duration
1% bonus to Shield Command Burst Strength and Duration
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
-10% reduction in drone ice harvesting cycle time
Role bonus:
100% bonus to drone mining yield
-25% reduction in drone ice harvesting cycle time
100% bonus to drone damage
400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range
90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue
Can fit three Command Burst modules
50% bonus to Command Burst Area of Effect Range
250% bonus to Tractor Beam range
100% bonus to Tractor Beam velocity
500% bonus to Survey Scanner range

Slot layout: 6H (+3), 5M (+1), 2L
Fittings: 1200 PWG (+240), 550 CPU (+120)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 30,000 (+19,250) / 7000 (+100) / 45,000 (-1000)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 35 / 10
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 8000 (+3800) / 1200s (+400) / 6.67 (+1.42)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 60 / 0.26 (+0.1) / 150,000,000 (-100,000,000) / 54.07s (-1.38)
Warp Speed: 2 au/s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 200 (+125)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 70km (+10) / 75 / 7 (+5)
Sensor strength: 30 Magnetometric (+15)
Signature radius: 1000
Cargo Hold: 30,000m3
Ore Hold: 150,000m3 (+100,000)
Fleet Hangar: 40,000m3
Ship Maintenance Bay: 400,000m3

Cost: ~700m isk
Max Yield: ~1400m3 per minute + drone travel time
Max DPS: ~800 dps

Let us know what you think!

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C C P Alliance
#2 - 2016-10-04 13:41:33 UTC
Reserved

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#3 - 2016-10-04 17:37:26 UTC
6 HS orca, that's awesome, so, with the Command Processor Rig you can burst 2 shield related and 2 mining related bursts... *wants to ghost fit an orca*, since I assume the equipment booster is still not valued at all.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

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#4 - 2016-10-04 17:43:56 UTC
I, for one, welcome our new Mining Foreman Ship overlords.
#5 - 2016-10-04 17:46:00 UTC
I'm not a miner but the prospect of baiting people out with a battle orca sounds amazing.
#DeleteTheWeak
#6 - 2016-10-04 17:48:02 UTC
Please, pretty please, add ore compression as an Orca/Rorqual ability, even if this has to be enabled with a module and skill. Ore compression in the field would IMO be much more useful, and support the fleet much better, than a larger ore hold would. It would allow the Orca/Rorqual to tractor in cans, compress and store the contents and then allow a single hauler to be far more useful hauling compressed ore/ice to station. It would also keep the command pilot more involved and in the field. Not giving compression to the Porpoise would give the Orca/Rorqual an extra force multiplier bonus over the Porpoise.

On a related note, are the command ships' ore holds accessable to the fleet, like a fleet hangar?
#7 - 2016-10-04 17:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
We are getting Ice Mining Drones?
Or did we already have them?

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Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-10-04 17:52:07 UTC
The added high slots make me really happy. The only thing I would want is a bigger ship maint array. The hisec carrier and wh base of operations orca is real.
Tactical-Retreat
#9 - 2016-10-04 18:00:53 UTC
Awww nice buff, but I'm a bit sad that the SMA size remains the same. I like this assembled ship suitcase ability of the Orca. Makes for a very tiny mobile home, I'd have loved to see some thoughts given to that kind of nomadic gameplay.

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#10 - 2016-10-04 18:07:58 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
We are getting Ice Mining Drones?
Or did we already have them?


They are new, read the whole blog ;)

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

#11 - 2016-10-04 18:08:53 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Awww nice buff, but I'm a bit sad that the SMA size remains the same. I like this assembled ship suitcase ability of the Orca. Makes for a very tiny mobile home, I'd have loved to see some thoughts given to that kind of nomadic gameplay.


I use a combo of Orca and the ORE hauler for a mobile mining fleet.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

#12 - 2016-10-04 18:17:29 UTC
Might be an idea to tune belt rat AI to attack drones ?
#13 - 2016-10-04 18:22:25 UTC
Has any thought been given to the implications for NPC corp miners in High Sec now being able to essentially use the Orca as a near invincible default mining platform instead of the traditional barge / exhumer?

Given that the Orca will remain around the same price and it can now mine just as well as a yield fit Mackinaw, receives an extra 33k ehp base, and has a huge ore hold, what will stop a proliferation of Orcas that can't be engaged with in any meaningful way than by all but the largest gank fleets in High Sec?
#14 - 2016-10-04 18:23:23 UTC
Love it, but isn't it maybe a tad bit OP?

I'm pretty sure that it could solo run most L4 missions AFK, with that amount of drone damage, coupled with that much tank.

And, with the bonused tractor range/speed, extra highs and large cargo hold, it could also easily do its own looting & salvaging.
#15 - 2016-10-04 18:31:43 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
Love it, but isn't it maybe a tad bit OP?

I'm pretty sure that it could solo run most L4 missions AFK, with that amount of drone damage, coupled with that much tank.

And, with the bonused tractor range/speed, extra highs and large cargo hold, it could also easily do its own looting & salvaging.


Missions is a relatively easy fix, just remove there gate access, although it'll make mission miners sad I assume.
RvB - BLUE Republic
#16 - 2016-10-04 18:42:36 UTC
The Orca was already one of the most useful ships in the game. Now even more so. Ironically, even though I'm in RvB I endorse all efforts to make PvE gameplay more fun, interesting and rewarding.

Former Blue CEO, admirer of Caracals (and Tristans)

#17 - 2016-10-04 18:42:42 UTC
The lowered mass on the orca will kill its job as high risk- high reward roller in WHs. Not that higgs-WCS-BS have not done that already.

Will also make hauling in WHs easier since the hole will not collapse as fast.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2016-10-04 18:45:46 UTC
At a price point of 700M isk, I feel like this ship gives a lot for the cost/risk.

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#19 - 2016-10-04 18:47:09 UTC
KrazyTaco wrote:
Has any thought been given to the implications for NPC corp miners in High Sec now being able to essentially use the Orca as a near invincible default mining platform instead of the traditional barge / exhumer?

Given that the Orca will remain around the same price and it can now mine just as well as a yield fit Mackinaw, receives an extra 33k ehp base, and has a huge ore hold, what will stop a proliferation of Orcas that can't be engaged with in any meaningful way than by all but the largest gank fleets in High Sec?


The orca will have a lower yield per minute as a result of the drone traveltime.
and as far as i am concerned, drones are NOT affected by the command bursts, so wouldnt the exhumer have a higher m3/minute?

but it will very well make it a new carebear boat.
#20 - 2016-10-04 18:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Khumm
As a long time Orca Pilot, I'm very Happy with these changes!

-edit-

I'd prefer a 5H, 5M, 3L layout though...
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