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Alpha bots lowering the value of LP.

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#1 - 2016-12-25 21:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
Alphas can utilize top end industrials like Mammoth to bot level 4 courier missions at warps above 5 AU

I suggest restricting them to the first tiers of industrial ships (IE: wreath) or remove their ability to utilize them for level 4 courier missions altogether.
#2 - 2016-12-25 21:44:06 UTC
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#3 - 2016-12-27 10:13:58 UTC
Hmmm...

I hadnt realizedf how capable hauler alphas can be with the T1 industrials.

Much less that they can farm LP like this.
#4 - 2016-12-28 17:45:01 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Hmmm...

I hadnt realizedf how capable hauler alphas can be with the T1 industrials.

Much less that they can farm LP like this.


Well, you just don't have the knowledge required. I bet you didn't even know T1 industrials like the Mammoth are the "top end" of industrial ships in EVE.

But don't worry, I didn't know either! I guess I have to sell my transportships now and replace them with Mammoths. P
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-12-29 00:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
Owen Levanth wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Hmmm...

I hadnt realizedf how capable hauler alphas can be with the T1 industrials.

Much less that they can farm LP like this.


Well, you just don't have the knowledge required. I bet you didn't even know T1 industrials like the Mammoth are the "top end" of industrial ships in EVE.

But don't worry, I didn't know either! I guess I have to sell my transportships now and replace them with Mammoths. P


Ah, yes, I should have included the word "standard" next to the words "top end" so that dumb kids like you wouldn't be confused and try to nitpick.

Mammoth is probably even better than Mastadon for purposes of running courier missions due to better inertia and extra low slot. So you embarrassed yourself either way.
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#6 - 2016-12-29 05:32:54 UTC
While grinding standing on my hauler alt I ran L4 missions with a Badger that aligned in 4s and warped @ 7 AU/s. An alpha clone could have flown it. I'm not sure what you would restrict them from really, since the tier 1 industrial is really, really good for running L4 distributions.
#7 - 2017-01-02 14:56:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Hmmm...

I hadnt realizedf how capable hauler alphas can be with the T1 industrials.

Much less that they can farm LP like this.



(Sarcasm)


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#8 - 2017-01-02 17:35:16 UTC
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Changes to the game model are disrupting my comfortable rut. Have them removed or I may be forced to take my space trucking elsewhere. Also, please provide a contractual guarantee that I will never again be forced to learn a new method in this game, it offends my sensibilities.

Sincerely,
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#9 - 2017-01-02 20:01:21 UTC
The issue here is that it is one of those things that can be botted or done in mass by farmers. years ago there were 100s of industrial going back and forth through some lowsec system you could go down there and shoot t1 industrial ships till you got bored and they just kept trucking. Adapting to changes is one thing, adapting to botting is another. That said I have no idea what their impact at this point is.

I know there are some restrictions on alphas but I don't know what holes have been discovered.

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#10 - 2017-01-03 09:54:14 UTC
Proof of bots?
#11 - 2017-01-03 14:10:32 UTC
I think there is an organisation which claims to fight bot aspirant behaviour. If this is really turning into a problem, I'm sure this organisation will rise and shine. Otherwise you can always report bots.

I don't think the LP markets have been too distorted by these bots yet.
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-01-04 20:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
Sequester Risalo wrote:
I think there is an organisation which claims to fight bot aspirant behaviour. If this is really turning into a problem, I'm sure this organisation will rise and shine. Otherwise you can always report bots.

I don't think the LP markets have been too distorted by these bots yet.


yea, with the clueless folks at CCP its never a problem until a significant portion of population complains, and most are too stupid to care about anything that doesn't effect them directly.

like how griefers can fly into your high sec mission and blow up you mission objectives and leave you without any realistic recourse. Its total bullshit but it doesn't happen often enough for them to bother with.
#13 - 2017-01-05 15:51:45 UTC
If CCP were to address the issue that the OP has raised, the solution would be easy enough: raise the skill requirement on the Mammoth, Bestower, Tayara, and Itty V to racial industrial II. Alphas are limited to racial industrial I. I'd include the specialist haulers for the sake of completeness, which would leave Alphas with only the basic, T1, fast haulers.

Having said that...is this really an issue that CCP needs to address? Is this botting, creative farming, or just emergent gameplay? CCP is obviously opposed to botting, and they've taken some steps in the past to reign in creative farming (i.e. FW missions in SBs). I say give this a bit more time to see how it plays out before jumping to any conclusions.

NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
like how griefers can fly into your high sec mission and blow up you mission objectives and leave you without any realistic recourse.

It's not griefing unless CCP says it is.

And they haven't.

Apparently they feel that the "Some men just want to watch the world burn." style of gameplay is valid.

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#14 - 2017-01-05 16:55:46 UTC
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
I think there is an organisation which claims to fight bot aspirant behaviour. If this is really turning into a problem, I'm sure this organisation will rise and shine. Otherwise you can always report bots.

I don't think the LP markets have been too distorted by these bots yet.


yea, with the clueless folks at CCP its never a problem until a significant portion of population complains, and most are too stupid to care about anything that doesn't effect them directly.

like how griefers can fly into your high sec mission and blow up you mission objectives and leave you without any realistic recourse. Its total bullshit but it doesn't happen often enough for them to bother with.


Except that the recourse is freely available to you, and that is to shoot them in their faces, war dec them, hire mercs, or even ask to join them and take out your rage on others. Yay options!
#15 - 2017-01-05 17:17:15 UTC
Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting.

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#16 - 2017-01-05 18:43:30 UTC
insert standard "if op has evidence of botting take it to ccp and not the forums" disclaimer.

considering botting is already breaking the EULA I assume they would have no problems using software, if it exists, to bypass that one account alpha restriction. There is also the possibility they run the bot while they are not at the PC. And then play the game normally on a different character/account. My earlier post was mostly there to establish precedent of farmers using courier missions. I have no idea if that is farmers or bots controlling the accounts though, I'm assuming it wouldn't be super hard to bot though.

if it is alpha players at the keyboard running lv4 courier missions well then so what, valid game play and all. Probably very little impact on the LP market overall.

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#17 - 2017-01-06 20:19:52 UTC
Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.

That's nothing.
Caldari State
#18 - 2017-01-08 14:41:24 UTC
Muffinmixer wrote:
Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.

That's nothing.


thats 1000 LP with zero effort, every ~5 minutes.

and of course it has to become a enormous problem before the incompetents at CCP will do anything about it.
#19 - 2017-01-08 16:38:34 UTC
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
Muffinmixer wrote:
Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.

That's nothing.


thats 1000 LP with zero effort, every ~5 minutes.

and of course it has to become a enormous problem before the incompetents at CCP will do anything about it.

I can make 14k LP and +- 10mill in 5min for very little effort. End of the day this isn't something that can be done en mass without circumventing the EULA and if they are then that means you have a valid complaint and should take your evidence to CCP that people are running multiple alpha clients at the same time.

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#20 - 2017-01-08 19:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hipqo
"Top end" lol..... I can make my orca align twice as fast as a mammoth and still have 450k more ehp!

Unless alpha's can make a significant impact on LP generated, its not gonna be a problem for the game or your self.
Fly along or better yet, start to shoot T1 indy ships in highsec and gather tears!

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