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I'm in love with my Algos, help me craft her please!

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Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2017-01-05 21:04:54 UTC
Hello all,

So, I'm a rookie, I've had a few cool ships so far. Standard Tristan, atron, catalyst. I foolishly bought a vexor and swiftly had it blown to pieces while on a test run. Now I have an Algos. I love it. Really enjoy using drones at a distance and firing off some shots around 10 - 15 km away.

I'm doing the sisters epic arc, so you can get a jist of where I'm at.

Now, I've tried various fits, but I don't think anything feels great. Also, drones confuse the balls off me. I'm at level 4 drones so I can use 4, but obviously don't have high drone skills just yet. So don't know what to use, currently I have 2 hammerhead 1's and 2 hobgoblin 1's.

Anyway, what can you recommend? I like to have 4 hybrid rails, I'm fond of cap rechargers (hate my capacitor being empty in battle), and I have damage control 1 usually. Oh and an afterburner to double my speed. With or without my preferences, what do you guys think?

Also what is tanking? I imagine a heavily armoured tank but I'm guessing it's not that.

Ty guys,

Tiberius.
RvB - RED Federation
#2 - 2017-01-05 21:11:24 UTC
For pve or pvp?


Pvp wise this is one of the best fits:

[Algos, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S
[empty high slot]

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II

Hobgoblin II x5


(use a meta AB if you dont want to use a 1% pg implant)
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#3 - 2017-01-05 21:22:36 UTC
Check out the Magus, the t2 variant.
fun little thing but has more than tissue paper for tank
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-01-05 21:35:21 UTC
Well for pve, but if hombres wanna come pvp with me I can defend myself. Question, why are 75 mm rails better than 150mm? Also, warp core stabiliser, should i not invest?
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-01-05 21:36:31 UTC
Also I can't use hobgoblin 2's yet.
RvB - RED Federation
#6 - 2017-01-05 21:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
They arent, but 150s dont fit (on the above fit i mean). And for any sort of actual content warp core stabs are horrible.
#7 - 2017-01-05 22:51:27 UTC
never fit warpstabs. fitting warp stabs is fitting for failure from the start, it is better to fit for success!

tanking is pretty much just your ability to take damage. Missions set the bar pretty low for tanking. Level ones are typically pretty low and you should be able to make it through with a small rep, most frigs/destroyers won't have much room for resist mods anyways. The fit in this post has a damage control for resists and a small rep.

In pvp there are many scenarios but I'll cover two quickly. One: small gang or solo pvp will often use a burst tank which will try to quickly regen hp with ancillary armor reps or shield boosters. Two: Buffer tank this uses mostly passive mods like shield extenders and armor plates to increase the raw hp pool on the ship, and resist mods to reduce incoming damage. Many soloers or small gangs also like buffer tanks as they give a large buffer to take a few stray shots, and typically use less fitting resources than active tanks. And fleet fights like buffer tanks as the high resists multiply the effect of incoming reps from logistic ships, and having high hit points and resists hopefully gives logistic ships time to target and repair you

this is a pve fit I had laying around in EFT. you seem to have figured out some drone kiting tactics so I'd keep those up. this should fit and be cap stable at somewhat low skills, but if it isn't yet just remember to turn the rep off unless you've taken damage. Also remember you can use your afterburner and speed to avoid damage.
[Algos, rails armor]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
IFFA Compact Damage Control

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I
Cap Recharger II

150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin I x5
more drones to taste

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#8 - 2017-01-06 11:11:25 UTC
A word of advice on the destroyer class of ships. The Algos is a fine ship, so no worries, now the thing about the destroyer ship class is that you have ample amounts of damage but by design the destroyer class was not really meant to take much punishment.

It is a tradeoff of the class. You get high damage, meant to shoot frigates with the same guns that frigates use but you "buy" that damage with weak defenses.

You may still lose them but then, they are not an expensive loss.


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#9 - 2017-01-07 10:25:06 UTC
Destruction is everything!
That's the destroyer role.

[Algos, Algos]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Type-E Enduring Cargo Scanner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3

your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic

-Lan Wang-

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RvB - RED Federation
#10 - 2017-01-07 17:51:58 UTC
Wanda Fayne wrote:
Destruction is everything!
That's the destroyer role.

[Algos, Algos]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Type-E Enduring Cargo Scanner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3



Am I missing something here?
RvB - RED Federation
#11 - 2017-01-07 18:47:44 UTC
Kethen T'val wrote:
Wanda Fayne wrote:
Destruction is everything!
That's the destroyer role.

[Algos, Algos]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Type-E Enduring Cargo Scanner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3



Am I missing something here?


Its for highsec suicide pvp i think.
#12 - 2017-01-07 22:21:11 UTC
Nay, just an extreme example to show him what this ship is capable of.

your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic

-Lan Wang-

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#13 - 2017-01-07 22:59:07 UTC
Thats pure eft warrioring though, a cargo scanner and a sensor booster on a real pvp ship? Please dont post fits like that in threads where people may actually fly them.


Especially since if you wanna fly a extreme dps dessie the cata is just better:

[Catalyst, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


It does 29 dps less then the algos (if that uses 5 hobs, cause using medium drones vs frigs is a massive dps loss) but has better range with guns, has a prop mod and its not actually paper but has over 7k ehp. A proper fit algos also would rip that dps fit apart.
#14 - 2017-01-07 23:32:28 UTC
Ok, so he shouldn't know that the algos he is so fond of is capable of 613dps.
Or that he can use it to make a pile of Isk doing (what you won't call) pvp.

GotchaBlink

your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic

-Lan Wang-

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#15 - 2017-01-08 00:32:07 UTC
Yes, thats totally useless knowledge. Its not important what a max dps algos without a propmod or a web can do, in any proper fight it will never once matter. No one will ever fit one that way because its ****, if someone actually does hes a free kill. Its only use is highsec pvp, apart from that its pure eftwarrioring (and since you claimed it wasnt for highsec pvp, you were doing just that). If you put officer mods on there it will do even more theoretical dps, but that irrelevant too.
#16 - 2017-01-08 02:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Wanda Fayne
Useless is mindlessly following what other people tell you "is best". What is most useful is actually learning to use your own mind and experience things for yourself. Explore the boundaries and push the limits as far as possible.

Only he can decide what is ultimately the "best" for himself. I was merely giving a different view on this ship's capabilities.

Edit
I'll bet you are really the life of the partyRoll

your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic

-Lan Wang-

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#17 - 2017-01-08 17:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
Wanda Fayne wrote:
Useless is mindlessly following what other people tell you "is best". What is most useful is actually learning to use your own mind and experience things for yourself. Explore the boundaries and push the limits as far as possible.

Only he can decide what is ultimately the "best" for himself. I was merely giving a different view on this ship's capabilities.

Edit
I'll bet you are really the life of the partyRoll


Which has about as much place in this thread as:

[Algos, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Hobgoblin II x5

Which is none, that fit is interesting too and it pushes the limits of another stat as far as possible, its still **** though and shouldnt be linked.
#18 - 2017-01-08 18:57:32 UTC
Never really looked at the Algos, but if I were to take one out for low level missions I think I'd fit it like this:

[Algos, missions]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

75mm Gatling Rail II, Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Thorium Charge S
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I
Small Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3

Everything on there is intentionally T2 as it's a tight fit; downgrade for skills and fitting as needed. It has more tank on it than I thought it would to be honest. Drone mix is whatever; I tend to use Caldari drones over Gallente anyhow and would likely end up running 5 Hornet IIs.

So yeah. Looks like she fits into the old Gallente model of viable passive shield tanking. That's neat.
#19 - 2017-01-09 01:19:05 UTC
When i was using Algos i used the passive shieldfit also, i think nanofiber instead the omni since it didnt exist back then and speed was more important than minor damage. I think i had drone nav computer there too instead the second extender.
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