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Caldari & SOE Epic Arcs - are they worth doing for faction standings?

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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-01-08 16:40:26 UTC
Was looking at the wiki for these, and SOE seems to be SIXTY missions long, and the Caldari one has you go through hoops and shooting Gallente navy ships (harder to get friends to come help you). Are these worth the hassle of doing, if your main goal is increasing your faction standings, or am I just better off grinding L4s and getting a storyline every 16 missions?
#2 - 2017-01-08 16:43:04 UTC
Amanda Creire-Geng wrote:
Was looking at the wiki for these, and SOE seems to be SIXTY missions long, and the Caldari one has you go through hoops and shooting Gallente navy ships (harder to get friends to come help you). Are these worth the hassle of doing, if your main goal is increasing your faction standings, or am I just better off grinding L4s and getting a storyline every 16 missions?

If you blitz the blitzable ones (even if you can't do most of the burner missions) you'd be surprised at how quickly you get through 16 missions. But yea, there are plenty of other ways to get the faction standing you need, I personally never felt the need to bother :)

Getting those social skills to 4 really does help a lot with the grind though.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

#3 - 2017-01-08 17:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
Anize Oramara wrote:
Amanda Creire-Geng wrote:
Was looking at the wiki for these, and SOE seems to be SIXTY missions long, and the Caldari one has you go through hoops and shooting Gallente navy ships (harder to get friends to come help you). Are these worth the hassle of doing, if your main goal is increasing your faction standings, or am I just better off grinding L4s and getting a storyline every 16 missions?

If you blitz the blitzable ones (even if you can't do most of the burner missions) you'd be surprised at how quickly you get through 16 missions. But yea, there are plenty of other ways to get the faction standing you need, I personally never felt the need to bother :)

Getting those social skills to 4 really does help a lot with the grind though.


I think it is worth remembering that to be truly blitzable the faction standings need to be up high in the first place so you can chain decline all the missions you don't want without losing access to the corp/agent.

Another key point is the amount of faction boost you get per faction mission. From what I can tell there are three types, mining (the most prevalent), courier (more rare), and security (rarest). Looking at my logs, the respective faction boost for each type are ~1.5%, ~3%, and ~9.75% (I have social 5). But in my experience, the security faction missions are very rare and cannot really be counted on being offered regularly unless you are getting multiple faction mission offers per day.

So in order to get an equivalent to the 12.5% from the SOE arc, you are going to be looking at needing 9+ Materials for War Preparation missions (9 x 16 = 144 L4 missions) or 4+ Faction courier missions (4 x 16 = 64 L4 missions), and these calculations ignore that you'll get progressively less increase in standing as your faction standing approaches +10. So when looked at in this light, 60 missions for the guaranteed faction boost of 12.5% from SOE begins to look a lot more appetising I think. Plus the epic arc faction boosts don't have derived standings losses.

TL:DR it's your game, play it how you want. But I would definitely do them, they are nice break from the monotony of regular L4's and can be done relatively quickly if you have the right ship.
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-01-08 17:55:20 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
I think it is worth remembering that to be truly blitzable the faction standings need to be up high in the first place so you can chain decline all the missions you don't want without losing access to the corp/agent.

Another key point is the amount of faction boost you get per faction mission. From what I can tell there are three types, mining (the most prevalent), courier (more rare), and security (rarest). Looking at my logs, the respective faction boost for each type are ~1.5%, ~3%, and ~9.75% (I have social 5). But in my experience, the security faction missions are very rare and cannot really be counted on being offered regularly unless you are doing 16-32+ missions a day (blitzing), you'll get far more of the other two types of faction mission.

So in order to get an equivalent to the 12.5% from the SOE arc, you are going to be looking at needing 9+ Materials for War Preparation missions (9 x 16 = 144 L4 missions) or 4+ Faction courier missions (4 x 16 = 64 L4 missions), and these calculations ignore that you'll get progressively less increase in standing as your faction standing approaches +10. So when looked at in this light, 60 missions for the guaranteed faction boost of 12.5% from SOE begins to look a lot more appetising I think. Plus the epic arc faction boosts don't have derived standings losses.


Thanks, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. Put into that perspective, epic arc standing rewards sound a lot more reasonable.
#5 - 2017-01-08 18:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
I would say the quickest way is to do L4 FW missions, as you'll get the equivalent standings boost from 0 to 8.0 IIRC as you increase your standing to the FW corp. While they are tricky, there are guides out there and once you get used to them they'll be relatively easy.

The promotion boosts are one time (ie they can't be redone every 3 months like the epic arcs). But the faction standing rewards are substantial I think you'll agree - I think you get about 10% corp boost per L4 FW assassination missions, and since you'll collect up to 15 missions before heading out to enemy low sec the promotions can come thick and fast, PLUS you don't need to worry about faction missions (FW missions dont give Faction missions, but the promotions do give Faction Standing increases).

Here are the standings boosts per level:

Rank 1: get for free.
Rank 2: +4.4198% (when you reach a standing of 1.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 3: +6.4198% (when you reach a standing of 2.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 4: +8.4198% (when you reach a standing of 3.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 5: +10.4198% (when you reach a standing of 4.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 6: +12.4198% (when you reach a standing of 5.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 7: +14.4198% (when you reach a standing of 6.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 8: +16.4198% (when you reach a standing of 7.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 9: +18.4198% (when you reach a standing of 8.0 to the FW corp)
Rank 10: +20.0% (when you reach a standing of 9.0 to the FW corp)
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-01-08 19:56:55 UTC
Just a couple of things to point out.

The Level 1 SoE Epic Arc only gives +8.75% Faction standing increase with Social Level 5 trained.

In Factional Warfare each Rank of positive Faction standing increase will also incur half that amount in negative Faction standing hit towards enemy Faction.

'The Plan' has proven itself time and time again to not only be the fastest and easiest way to repair negative Faction standings but to also boost positive Faction standings as well.



DMC
#7 - 2017-01-10 04:40:43 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Amanda Creire-Geng wrote:
Was looking at the wiki for these, and SOE seems to be SIXTY missions long, and the Caldari one has you go through hoops and shooting Gallente navy ships (harder to get friends to come help you). Are these worth the hassle of doing, if your main goal is increasing your faction standings, or am I just better off grinding L4s and getting a storyline every 16 missions?

If you blitz the blitzable ones (even if you can't do most of the burner missions) you'd be surprised at how quickly you get through 16 missions. But yea, there are plenty of other ways to get the faction standing you need, I personally never felt the need to bother :)

Getting those social skills to 4 really does help a lot with the grind though.


I think it is worth remembering that to be truly blitzable the faction standings need to be up high in the first place so you can chain decline all the missions you don't want without losing access to the corp/agent.

Another key point is the amount of faction boost you get per faction mission. From what I can tell there are three types, mining (the most prevalent), courier (more rare), and security (rarest). Looking at my logs, the respective faction boost for each type are ~1.5%, ~3%, and ~9.75% (I have social 5). But in my experience, the security faction missions are very rare and cannot really be counted on being offered regularly unless you are getting multiple faction mission offers per day.

So in order to get an equivalent to the 12.5% from the SOE arc, you are going to be looking at needing 9+ Materials for War Preparation missions (9 x 16 = 144 L4 missions) or 4+ Faction courier missions (4 x 16 = 64 L4 missions), and these calculations ignore that you'll get progressively less increase in standing as your faction standing approaches +10. So when looked at in this light, 60 missions for the guaranteed faction boost of 12.5% from SOE begins to look a lot more appetising I think. Plus the epic arc faction boosts don't have derived standings losses.

TL:DR it's your game, play it how you want. But I would definitely do them, they are nice break from the monotony of regular L4's and can be done relatively quickly if you have the right ship.


Sure to run only the desirable blitzable missions you need high standings, but many normal level 4s are very quick to run or have a blitz. A ton of lv4s only require you to kill one group in the last room to complete the mission. And missions like worlds collide and the blockade are 60-120m/hour missions, I just go for the even higher missions. Your corp/agent standings should be able to deal with declining the occasional angels extra or faction kill mission (if you even want to skip them), these declines will have almost no effect on your faction standing. At around 7 standing one combat story line more than repairs the standings required to get 8 story line missions, so if your faction standings are lower it will boost by a ton. It may have even been more than 8, I decline courier missions whenever I get them. Roughly 10 pages of declines at 25missions/page with one mats for war in the middle.

I don't find combat storylines to be all that rare. I'd rather run standard lv4s than try and do the soe arc, going to be making good isk while you do it. Soe arc is great for newbies, but a lot of boring warping around for established players. For example my standings log has 3 combat, 5 mats for war, and unknown courier. My journal also has 3 more combat story lines. which at this point I'm just too lazy to run. As I said earlier I remote decline courier missions as soon as they come up to free those agents for combat/mats4war missions.

As for the lv4 epic arcs, no idea, probably should do one someday

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

#8 - 2017-01-10 16:25:29 UTC
I think it would be interesting to do a test with Anize/Chainsaw on blitzing missions, DMC on Cosmos and Career agents, and me on FW missions to see which is the fastest to get to an arbitrary level of standing from zero.

I'd imagine each proponent, myself included, would say their own particular method was fastest. It is a pity there is no way to do it, short of starting a new char, in order to test it properly.
#9 - 2017-01-10 16:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Khanid Voltar wrote:
I think it would be interesting to do a test with Anize/Chainsaw on blitzing missions, DMC on Cosmos and Career agents, and me on FW missions to see which is the fastest to get to an arbitrary level of standing from zero.

I'd imagine each proponent, myself included, would say their own particular method was fastest. It is a pity there is no way to do it, short of starting a new char, in order to test it properly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't get SOE faction standing through FW?

I mean it depends on what you want the standing for I guess but for missions there isn't much reason to shop at the FW LP stores outside of FW.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

#10 - 2017-01-10 16:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
Anize Oramara wrote:
Khanid Voltar wrote:
I think it would be interesting to do a test with Anize/Chainsaw on blitzing missions, DMC on Cosmos and Career agents, and me on FW missions to see which is the fastest to get to an arbitrary level of standing from zero.

I'd imagine each proponent, myself included, would say their own particular method was fastest. It is a pity there is no way to do it, short of starting a new char, in order to test it properly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't get SOE faction standing through FW?

I mean it depends on what you want the standing for I guess but for missions there isn't much reason to shop at the FW LP stores outside of FW.


It was my understanding that with the SOE arc you choose a faction for whom you want to get standing, eg you dont get a Faction boost for SOE, you choose one of the 4 main races for which you want the boost to be applied.

The OP was looking at SOE to get Caldari standing for instance (or at least that was my interpretation from the fact he mentioned both the SOE arc and the Caldari arc in his post).

[edit] we are talking about the reward vis-a-vis Faction standing boost, not the respective LP stores

[edit 2] if we were talking about SOE faction standing, then neither the FW missions or cosmos/career missions would be applicable except through derived standings boosts.
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-01-10 16:54:55 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
The OP was looking at SOE to get Caldari standing for instance (or at least that was my interpretation from the fact he mentioned both the SOE arc and the Caldari arc in his post).


That's correct, my only goal is to raise Caldari State standings so I can get lower broker fees at the Jita station. Already got Caldari Navy up to 9.60 but the faction grind was killing me, so I came here looking for options.
#12 - 2017-01-10 17:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
Amanda Creire-Geng wrote:
Khanid Voltar wrote:
The OP was looking at SOE to get Caldari standing for instance (or at least that was my interpretation from the fact he mentioned both the SOE arc and the Caldari arc in his post).


That's correct, my only goal is to raise Caldari State standings so I can get lower broker fees at the Jita station. Already got Caldari Navy up to 9.60 but the faction grind was killing me, so I came here looking for options.


I think I was at about that (for minmatar) when I did the FW missions and the minnie epic arc (I'm KOS in Amarr space so I can't do the SOE one without an alt)... I managed to hit 9.87 (goal was 9.9) before I started doing something else.

Annoyingly I switched to Gallente missions and the derived standings losses to minmatar for chain declining Gallente L4's was actually higher than the direct standings loss for Gallente... so my Minnie standing quickly dropped back down to around ~9.5. And because my faction standing was above +8 for Minnie, storyline missions for Gallente no longer ameliorated these losses.

At which point I decided not to bother trying to reach 9.9 any more Smile
#13 - 2017-01-10 18:26:45 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
I think it would be interesting to do a test with Anize/Chainsaw on blitzing missions, DMC on Cosmos and Career agents, and me on FW missions to see which is the fastest to get to an arbitrary level of standing from zero.

I'd imagine each proponent, myself included, would say their own particular method was fastest. It is a pity there is no way to do it, short of starting a new char, in order to test it properly.


I'm not necessarily saying my method is fastest, but that it is pretty dang convenient. I am a lazy creature of habit after all. The lv4 combat storylines give nice boosts, and with high skills go pretty quickly. Depending on skills it might be faster to blitz lv3 missions as you can run them much faster. Most involve warping in shooting a few things and warping out. Been a long time since I've done a lv3 storyline so not sure what kind of boost they give.

I hardly know a thing about FW, but those standings gains look pretty nice, and as they are tied to corp standings it sounds like it should go pretty quickly.

The Cosmos missions are nice, but a one time thing, and are annoying to run. All the various complexes have different ship restrictions, and are a bunch of jumps out of the way. I ran a good deal of the caldari cosmos years ago and never thought about going back. Lived in the lowsec pocket attached to the caldari cosmos and never bothered with any of those missions. A few cosmos rewards are very nice, most are not.

Anyone know how much standings the lv4 epic arcs give and about how long they take to run? For pure standings grinding I'm guessing they aren't worth it. For the no derived standings changes they do seem worth it, although that is a very specific goal.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

#14 - 2017-01-10 19:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
According to eve-survival, the four main races offer 12.5% and SOE 8.75% to your choice of the four races (with Social 5).

I wish they would allow cosmos to be redone every so often. In many ways the epic arcs seem like cosmos rebooted. The problem with cosmos was that on release it was half broken, so people did it, got annoyed with it, gave up on it. From what I know it is mostly fixed these days but because it is one-time, you can't go and try it out again in its entirety to judge whether it is any better than on release unless you are on a different alt.

It'll be a decade since this toon has done Amarr/Caldari Cosmos this summer!
#15 - 2017-01-10 19:44:16 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
It'll be a decade since this toon has done Amarr/Caldari Cosmos this summer!

yep, that's about when I touched it last. Although I did do the 2 run navy ship bpc missions for high faction standings far more recently if you can count those as cosmos missions. the 2 run ME 10% TE 18% navy raven bpc is one of my favorite items in game.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

#16 - 2017-01-10 19:53:52 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Khanid Voltar wrote:
It'll be a decade since this toon has done Amarr/Caldari Cosmos this summer!

yep, that's about when I touched it last. Although I did do the 2 run navy ship bpc missions for high faction standings far more recently if you can count those as cosmos missions. the 2 run ME 10% TE 18% navy raven bpc is one of my favorite items in game.


Problem with the 2 run bpcs is while they are collectors items, they have no real intrinsic value beyond 2 1 run bpcs, and to have reached 9.9 you are probably swimming in lp already. Considering there were no navy bc's when they were released they should have have an offer for them too imo.

I was thinking last night it'd be nice if there were in game achievements for PVE like you have on consoles. I mean, sure they are value-less too, but I think people who get a kick out of min-maxing would value them in the same way you value a 2-run bpc - plus you can show it off!!
#17 - 2017-01-15 05:37:30 UTC
Short answer: yes. And there is some decent loot to be acquired in the process.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

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