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Too many wormholes

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#1 - 2017-03-27 16:59:26 UTC
I explore in high-sec. I do combat sites when I find them and scan the rest for data and relic sites. But 95% of the signatures I scan turn out to be wormholes. And I don't care for wormholes. I've been in them, but my skills and ship make the odds of making a profit there, neglectable. I was just in a system with 3 signatures, all wormholes.

I would love to see exploration be more interesting, more versatile. More to hack and shoot.
#2 - 2017-03-27 17:36:18 UTC
It is possible to cherrypick only good sites with combat probes. Wormholes usually have high sig strength, meanwhile good combat and relic sites have low sig strenght. There are many guides, you can find them on google.
#3 - 2017-03-27 20:29:21 UTC
It is impossible for there to be too many wormholes. The more the better.
Perhaps there is a lot of competition where you are going?


#4 - 2017-03-28 08:06:16 UTC
Some wormholes have much better data or relic sites, than those you can find in high sec.
Some wormholes will lead you into null space, unpopulated but full of wonders.

Join some renter corp deep in null. Few months after I joined one myself, I have hacked and analyzed more, than in my previos entire EVE life. Ratting ships got hotdroped, but not hackers. Many corps, like my current, will get you into null 100 % safe (clone station set to null station + your ships transfered via jump freighter)
#5 - 2017-03-28 08:20:20 UTC
I scan in LS and i can confirm that there a a tonne of WHs there to (pretty sure they buffed the WH spawn rate a few years back)

That being said its not really a huge issue, as with everything in eve its all PVP in some way. If you have to scan a tonne of WHs so does everyone else. Remove the WHs and the number of sites per system would be he same but competition would most likely be way higher as everyone would find those sites faster.

Also means that there is a larger emphasis placed on scanning skills, become really good and you will find more sites. Out compete those bads that can't scan for **** (its amazing how slow some people are) .

I personally like it, discourages pirates from scanning every site or slows them down at the very least.

PS,
Keep a record of sig IDs for each system you scan, saves a lot of time on the second way around.
#6 - 2017-03-28 21:23:18 UTC
The thing I don't get is why many of the combat and ore sites don't require scanning. The combat sites now are basically ratting-plus; anyone can do it. I'd much rather see everything scanable, with higher rewards for the effort.

As for "go join a corp that..." advice: no thanks. I've been around for well over 10 years, I've been deep into nullsec, been in wars etc. This is how I want to play this game right now, solo and relatively safe ^_^
#7 - 2017-03-29 01:11:23 UTC
Sharcy wrote:
The thing I don't get is why many of the combat and ore sites don't require scanning. The combat sites now are basically ratting-plus; anyone can do it. I'd much rather see everything scanable, with higher rewards for the effort.

As for "go join a corp that..." advice: no thanks. I've been around for well over 10 years, I've been deep into nullsec, been in wars etc. This is how I want to play this game right now, solo and relatively safe ^_^


I'm not sure what you are getting at, Anoms have (at least for hte past 6 years that i have been playing) always been warpable without scanning. People have been Farming them in NS for as long as I can remember.

The only thing that has change in the past few years was Ore sites not requiring scanning and that is a really only a major issue in WHs (No Intel channel/Local for safety).

As for the sites as is, Ore sites and Anoms are only really good isk in NS due to the respawn mechanics they have. (WHs as well but for different reasons)

In HS Ore sites are fairly rare and you make more isk by constantly mining low ends than hunting Ores, Anoms are a joke.
In LS no one really mines because its not very safe, at least not on mass and Anoms while better than HS are also not great and the increased traffic/ slow respawn means they are harder to farm.

Scannable sites are almost always better isk in HS and LS.
#8 - 2017-03-29 07:55:26 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
I scan in LS and i can confirm that there a a tonne of WHs there to (pretty sure they buffed the WH spawn rate a few years back)



Funny. When I needed a single one WH in null I live in, I have had to scan through tons of data /arelic sites to get one WH. Actually I went through 8 or 9 systems in pocked before I found one. Not a week ago. So CCP did not buff the spawn - they moved it into high / low sec ;)
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-03-30 00:42:42 UTC
If you want to find more combat and hacking sites then look for deadend pipeline and cul-de-sac systems away from major trade / mission hubs. Check Star Map for system stats - low amount of population, low amount of jumps, low amount of NPC kills, etc.

Security level doesn't matter. Exploration sites have a natural life span of 3 to 5 days and tend to pile up in systems that don't have a lot of traffic.

Good luck to you.



DMC
#10 - 2017-03-30 04:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
erg cz wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
I scan in LS and i can confirm that there a a tonne of WHs there to (pretty sure they buffed the WH spawn rate a few years back)



Funny. When I needed a single one WH in null I live in, I have had to scan through tons of data /arelic sites to get one WH. Actually I went through 8 or 9 systems in pocked before I found one. Not a week ago. So CCP did not buff the spawn - they moved it into high / low sec ;)


Well there are two reasons for this.

1. There are 1090 HS systems, 817 LS and 3294 NS. This means that NS WHs are spread across a much larger number of Systems.
2. There are 654 Whs with a HS static, 540 Whs with a LS static and 174 with a NS static. So not counting random WHs (No idea how many of those there are) there are a tonne less in NS.

HS there is a 0.6 Chance for a static WH, LS there is a 0.66 and NS 0.05. Not including random WHs.

PS, there must be a tonne of random WHs because I find way more the 0.66 WHs per LS. Average is more like 2-3.
#11 - 2017-03-30 14:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ijon-Tichy
Exploders that complain about "to many wormholes" are a strange thing to me... Why would you scan for sites that get you one million each (or even less?) when all the wormholes lead to sites that get you at least 10 times the loot per site. All you risk is a T1 frigate, cheap fits are less than 10 millions. Do one WH data site, go back to HS and your ship is reimbursed. Do one WH relic, go back to HS and you have more loot that an evening of scanning in HighSec would get you.

Now go back to WHs, learn to mash D-Scan, get dank ISK and don’t forget to bookmark good gas sites for even more dank ISK. Get killed a couple of times and don’t care, because the station you got podded back to has 10 more fitted frigates ready to go. Really, buy and fit them in bulk and stay totally calm when you have to use a new one. Ignore the kill board, even with a 50% chance of success you still make a lot more ISK with daytrips into WHs than all the highsec sites will get you.

Disclaimer: Works better from Monday to Tuesday or outside of EU/US prime times. Even WHs are crowded at Saturday 8pm.
#12 - 2017-03-31 02:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Ijon-Tichy wrote:
Exploders that complain about "to many wormholes" are a strange thing to me... Why would you scan for sites that get you one million each (or even less?) when all the wormholes lead to sites that get you at least 10 times the loot per site. All you risk is a T1 frigate, cheap fits are less than 10 millions. Do one WH data site, go back to HS and your ship is reimbursed. Do one WH relic, go back to HS and you have more loot that an evening of scanning in HighSec would get you.

Now go back to WHs, learn to mash D-Scan, get dank ISK and don’t forget to bookmark good gas sites for even more dank ISK. Get killed a couple of times and don’t care, because the station you got podded back to has 10 more fitted frigates ready to go. Really, buy and fit them in bulk and stay totally calm when you have to use a new one. Ignore the kill board, even with a 50% chance of success you still make a lot more ISK with daytrips into WHs than all the highsec sites will get you.

Disclaimer: Works better from Monday to Tuesday or outside of EU/US prime times. Even WHs are crowded at Saturday 8pm.


Well firstly Wh relic and data sites require much more than a frig. If you mean K space Data/Relics in Wh space then a frig can be used however finding them is hit and miss, some systems have 10+ (Looking at you shatters WHs) but most have none. better off just scanning NS for sites if that's all you care about. Also only some Races sites are worth while but in WH space you get a mix so out of those 10 sites you many only end up with 1 or 2 Sansha Relics for example but in Sansha NS you will get 100% Sansha relics/data.

Wh combat sites are good ISK, but they require a lot more of an investment.

On a side note, I like LS combats site more than WHs (For Solo work) . Its not that the sites pay more but I just like LS for PVE as in WHs if you get ganked its just like surprise 10 T3s and a few bhaals, where as I find that in LS its often smaller groups (at least in my TZ) of more engage-able ships which can lead to some fun PVP.
#13 - 2017-03-31 10:58:50 UTC
You are right about the "hit and miss" with the WH faction sides. That's why I avoid peak times and bookmark good gas sides for a second round with a venture. I prefer WHs because for me it is much more safer than the Sansha null or low space (that is notorious as a hunting ground). But whatever you choose, everything is better than high-sec.
Empyreus
#14 - 2017-04-06 19:31:32 UTC
I think your issue comes more from why you are exploring rather than the WHs themselves. Out in nullsec WHs add a bit of spice - quick route to highsec, spare data/relic sites to scan down, dropping on a WH corp's fleet, etc. Like most things in Eve each person will find something to dislike, but on the whole it is more useful for the majority.

One of the biggest things about WHs in highsec is get over your fear of dying in it. Scan down a few null sites inside the WH, hammer that dscan, and get some adrenaline. More risk, more reward, and isn't that why most of us enjoy Eve in the first place?
The Dominion Alliance
#15 - 2017-04-07 07:58:19 UTC
They (WH) are an excellent pathway for PVP, scanning a WH and its connections opens up so many options. Relic sites in C1 to C3 WH, fights in the WH themselves, routes out to various null and low sec sites to hunt or explore. It opens up so much more of the universe rather than spending time in a small area of space, or taking to same long route to a particular null/low sec area.
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