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Amarr Victor! CCP Please Stop.

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#1 - 2017-04-14 20:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Xzanos
I have been playing Eve for 13 yeas... I have seen the different ships of eve rise and fall in all of the different metas of the game. But there has always been something that bothers me, why does CCP make it such a point that Amarr is the superior race too the other 3? Amarr serves a larger role in the emerging storyline, Amarr tournament, Amarr jokes during fanfest and many other things just cement Amarr into this Alpha race position. I believe that this is a big issue that could be keeping players away from the game or turning people away after trying the game out.

On the one hand you have players who only have fun winning who will research the game before playing, find info on the different ships and meta's and choose which race they think will give them the biggest advantage/ easy win button. With the introduction of Alpha Clones this will lead more and more people to choose a specific race based on "meta gaming".

On the other hand you have players who play the game more for its immersion factor and RP of joining a corporation/ fighting for ideals. These players may begin to realize that the race they chose will make their gameplay experience "harder" and sometimes seemingly completely unfair. Again with the introduction of Alpha Clones this may turn players away from the game when they realize that playing the race that they like, is not the best choice.

I completely realize that Eve by its nature is not FAIR, however I do believe that there should be more balance between races. I'm sure if you asked any veteran player and even some more skilled new players about the state of balance between races in many of the ship classes is completely broken in 75% of the cases. I also understand that you can cross train for any race/ship you want, but this is not the case for Alpha Clones and even for Omega characters I do not think that cross training should be a "requirement" which is basically where the game stands now.

Please if you agree with any part of this post and believe that there should be better balance between races post a reply. I have been wishing to see balance changes in this area for many years now. I understand that each race and ship has its own "role" that it is balanced around but I also feel like each one of these "roles" should be viable in a combat situation against ships of the same class.
#2 - 2017-04-14 20:40:54 UTC
I'd say that balance is pretty good right now, and that the flavour of the month rotation prevents one race dominating for too long.

There are obvious candidates for review (eg. buffs for Belicose, Corax, a medium projectile pass) but it's better than it's been in a while. I'm leaving capitals out as your post seems based around alphas.

I would move specialist haulers to ORE though, and race-independent stuff like webbing drones obviously needs a complete overhaul.
#3 - 2017-04-14 20:49:36 UTC
Cristl wrote:
I'd say that balance is pretty good right now, and that the flavour of the month rotation prevents one race dominating for too long.

There are obvious candidates for review (eg. buffs for Belicose, Corax, a medium projectile pass) but it's better than it's been in a while. I'm leaving capitals out as your post seems based around alphas.

I would move specialist haulers to ORE though, and race-independent stuff like webbing drones obviously needs a complete overhaul.


Thank you for your reply and not posting with a flamethrower. I agree with a medium projectile change and imo change to projectiles as a whole could fix many of the issues as i feel Minmatar ships have the most black sheep of any race.
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-04-14 21:09:21 UTC
Caldari have always been the superior business race.

However, the Tornado is the greatest HiSec ganking ship created. A small fleet can one shot a Marauder before he even turns on his shields.

Who would have thought former slaves could have produced such a marvel? Smile
The-Culture
#5 - 2017-04-14 21:41:06 UTC
I don't see so much superiority of Amarr ships in pvp.

Storyline they are the biggest and mightiest of empires so i'm ok with than.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Caldari State
#6 - 2017-04-14 22:53:58 UTC
Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....

PVP is just waste of resources :-)
#7 - 2017-04-15 00:02:00 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....

PVP is just waste of resources :-)


I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

#8 - 2017-04-15 00:14:54 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....

PVP is just waste of resources :-)


I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve.

I feel you may have missed some irony here
#9 - 2017-04-15 00:18:57 UTC
Another heretic vomits forth slander.

It's all part of the slightly-tongue-in-cheek overall grimness EvE is going for friend.






Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-04-15 02:27:50 UTC
Yeah I agree with the OP, the 4 main Factions could be balanced more equally, especially pertaining to Alpha Clone status.

However when I first joined over 8 years ago I picked Minmatar because it was the hardest Faction to skill up due to being so versatile in ship fitting. I had decided back then that I would be playing this game for a long time so it didn't bother me that my character would take longer to develop. In fact I even trained up all of the Learning skills because of that.

I think it all depends on each person's viewpoint of how they're going to play this game. I'm in it for the long term, not for the short haul and as such I'd still make the same decision to play Minmatar even if I had just started playing today.


DMC
The-Culture
#11 - 2017-04-15 07:32:59 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think it all depends on each person's viewpoint of how they're going to play this game. I'm in it for the long term, not for the short haul ...
DMC

It looks like new players are mostly from other side of spectre tho.... Which is sad

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Solitaire.
#12 - 2017-04-15 08:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
Amarr have the least amount of skills for alphas. Something like 8-9 overall levels less than minmatar or the others.
If anything they need to toss some more levels toward amarr and let them get another capacitor recharge level, advanced weapon upgrades or armor layering.
No reason the races should have different level totals once fully trained in alpha skills.
Amarr are the blessed superior race so we should have great skills, the best skills, so many skills we get sick of training. The rust weasels deserve to wallow in skill poverty and filth.
#13 - 2017-04-15 08:47:40 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Fun is just waste of resources :-)

#14 - 2017-04-15 10:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aves Asio
ccp was lazy when they established the alpha restrictions, to do it properly would require a full rebalance of skill requirements on all ships and modules
#15 - 2017-04-15 11:04:47 UTC
I never thought Amarr victor more than Caldari master race and Gallente pleasure hubs. Minmatar? In rust they trust.
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-04-15 12:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: oiukhp Muvila
I must admit its been several months since I've played, but only one of six main doctrines were Amarr based for the last group I was in.

To be honest, all races were pretty well represented in the doctrines, except maybe Caldari.


Edi: Yeah, I don't know about the alpha clone thing. I imagine Caldari is still better for missions though, even as an Alpha.
#17 - 2017-04-15 17:27:12 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Edi: Yeah, I don't know about the alpha clone thing. I imagine Caldari is still better for missions though, even as an Alpha.

I'd say gallente or amarr. the gun + drone combo on a gnosis can't be beat. the caldari rail gnosis is a bit behind the gallente, and well minmatar gnosis is just lol. I feel bad for minmatar alphas.

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#18 - 2017-04-15 17:29:02 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....

PVP is just waste of resources :-)


I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve.

nah, lets all just be space friends and have super dank wallets!

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#19 - 2017-04-15 17:36:24 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Yeah I agree with the OP, the 4 main Factions could be balanced more equally, especially pertaining to Alpha Clone status.
DMC


I feel like it is hard for the majority of players to see the issues with racial balance because most players start to cross train very early on. My skill base is 100% Minmatar and i feel like i can only viably use 10% of the ships available to me.
#20 - 2017-04-15 17:40:27 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Another heretic vomits forth slander.

It's all part of the slightly-tongue-in-cheek overall grimness EvE is going for friend.

Im all for grimness, but that is no reason for favoritism. I mean i wont even bring up mordus legion.. or pirate faction ships in general. lets introduce a new pirate line of ships.. oh yeah and lets make it completely op and broken to shake things up and cause the most controversy as possible.
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