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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-05-10 06:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tressith Sefira
Sorry about this!

The word Gallente doesn't mean anything. No, you think it does, but it does not - and it especially doesn't mean anything to the people or ideas you're labelling as "Gallente."

Gallente is a language. [1] More than one, actually; Interstellar Gallente, Garouni, Lyacian Gallente, more. [9] Gallente is a collection of peoples; that is the generic word used to describe all peoples who live in the Federation, and that means the Mannar, the Jin-Mei, the Intaki, the Raata Caldari, [5] the Vox, and all those Minmatar, too. [2] That's the generic word for all Federation citizens, used by the Federation, mostly, because no one who lives planetside in the Federation identifies first as being a Federation citizen; loyalty to your member-state is by far the most important influence in a citizen's identity [3] Gallente refers to all systems and territories owned by the Federation, but it also means all of those places and organisations that operate independent of Federation borders that once had Federation origins - Scope, [8] Quafe. [7] It means the foods, the fashions, like the business suits the ethnic Gallente invented, or t-shirts- [6]

But wait, no, you OBVIOUSLY mean the ETHNIC Gallente? Well, that makes things a bit clearer, I suppose, but you must know that the phrase "ethnic Gallente" as the ethnic Gallente define it is an ethnicity and not a race, right? What you understand to be an Amarrian man - in appearance, in bloodline - can come to the Federation, say he is ethnic Gallente, then be treated as such. [4][10][11]

Oh, wait, do you mean the RACE of the ethnic Gallente, not the other "races" who "just claim" to be ethnic Gallente? Funny story, that. That hasn't existed in over a hundred years. We are a "harmoniously mongrelised" peoples; we've interbred so much, so often, that we don't have a distinct bloodline or genetic heritage anymore. Most ethnic Gallente have a respectable chunk of Caldari in them (heh heh) as well as Mannar, Intaki.[10][12] And don't get me started on what happened to our diversity on Gallentia. Don't get me started.

("Harmoniously mongrelised" is the academic term. Leave me alone.)

Hold on, you mean I'm making it too complicated? Ok, let me make it easier... Let's do this by region. When you're talking about ethnic Gallente, do you mean Solitude ethnic Gallente - those second union throwbacks? [13] Do you mean Sinq Liason ethnic Gallenteans with more of a mercantile streak since Dodixie became our major trade hub? [14] Or do you mean the ethnic Gallente trapped in the Khanid Kingdom, who have had their identities submer- [15] ok, yeah, that was a stretch. No one ever means the Khanid Kingdom ethnic Gallente. Yeah, I know, that wasn't very smart of me.

No, you probably think you're talking about the ethnic Gallente of the Luminaire system. But not the colonies there, not really, because that'd be including the Caldari who stayed after the State split off. You think you're talking about Gallentia, which you probably call Gallente Prime.

(As a side note, I think Gallente Prime sounds way less pretty than Gallentia. I know the Race-Prime nomenclature is the norm for homeworlds and I'm just being fussy and shallow, but I wish Gallentia didn't drop out of major usage.)

If you think you're talking about Gallentia, then you think you're talking about "the most Gallente of Gallente," the Garoun Gallente, and the ethnic Gallente of the Kingdom of Central Garoun. Caille. The quintessential ethnic Gallente, yeah?

(Cont. May a higher power forgive me.)
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-05-10 06:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tressith Sefira
(No one ever thinks Hueromont is the most Gallente anything. I know the idea of "the most Gallente" is utter hogwash and doesn't mean anything so I don't know why that bothers me. It bothers me, though! We're like the ugly redheaded stepchild of Gallentia cities. We're a megapolis and Caille isn't [16] and we're in the hollow of a VOLCANO [17] but all anyone can remember about us is that some poor Caldari dude crashed a ship into us. [18] Or why not think the scientific geniuses of Lyace are the most Gallente? [19] I get that Caille has the nicest shopping malls but there's way more to a city than shopping. There's also restaurants!)

Except... Garoun Gallente doesn't exist as you understand it anymore. It hasn't for a very long time, since the days of the most egregious crimes against the Caldari people, arguably. Remember how I said there's no race of ethnic Gallente anymore? As far as Gallentia goes, there's almost no ideology, either... at least, it's not separated by borders. When we all went about screwing each other to achieve "harmonious mongrelisation," our ideas got all mish-mashed, too, so that an average ethnic Gallente from Caille has about as little difference ideologically from an average ethnic Gallente from Lyace as... as a... I can't think of a colourful metaphor. Well, suffice to say, they're not very ideologically different. [20]

So making a distinction between Morthanian ethnic Galllente and Garoun ethnic Gallente is moot at this point, if you're talking about the populations as they are at present. There's not one that's more or less ethnic Gallente than the other. There's not one single villain you can point a finger at; just a variety of villainous traits, if you so fancy, spread out across the countless planets and systems and regions we've metastasised to. [23]

I think some State Caldari may feel inclined to point out that the Garoun Gallente are the source of this ethnic Gallente evil by referencing what they believe to be the destruction of Morthane ideas, ideals, and identities through the heavy handed cultural imperialism of the Garoun Empire and its successor states. I think they profoundly misunderstand the historical relationship between the Morthane authority and the collective Garoun - again, going back to the days before we ****** and appropriated cultural borders into oblivion. Back to the Age of Rouvenor, and arguably, back before the Garoun Empire, to the Kingdom of Rouvenor, before Garoun meant anything more than the continent upon which the Kingdom happened to be located on. [21]

The Kingdom of Rouvenor was bountiful. I mean, it was ******* loaded with the best dirt for growing ****. So when a relatively powerful central power rose there after an inheritance kerfluffle, smack dab in the middle of the continent, there was a population boom. And the kingdom's neighbours were like, **** that. So they all aligned against Doule dos Rouvenor and went to smack him and his overly large population down. Except King Rouvenor was a tactical genius (but not a particularly nice man) and smacked these "invaders" down instead. A reactionary stance; not an instigative one. And he didn't stop. When he got attacked, he took the attackers, and he kept going. Until the entire Garoun continent came under his leadership. [22]
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-05-10 06:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tressith Sefira
And this ended up being pretty good for all of these new states that answered to the Garoun Empire. They had more than a population boom - we had a bit of a renaissance! Not a real one, but it was a good time for everyone involved. Culturally, economically, technologically, they thrived like that. It was super cool. [22]

Yeah, of course, the Garoun went on to meet the Morthane Empire, and that was a mess. See, we were a bit religious back then - still are - and Morthane had their Lunaries which were totally opposite of the Garoun Lunaries and that was a problem for the Garoun. Then the Garoun Empire found out that Morthane had slavery. [23]

Most Caldari feel some sympathy and allegiance for the long-gone Morthanian ethics and identity of old, but I just want to make note here that the Caldari are the only peoples in the cluster who didn't practice slavery on their homeworld. I think they do themselves a terrible disservice by comparing themselves to the Morthane Empire, even if they feel a kinship with the more authoritarian, (ostensibly) non-interventionist styles of governance.

King Rouvenor didn't want that war. His people did. It happened. And neither side won. [23] It was only after two generations beyond that war that some version of this freedom-buzzword-loving satirical meta-libertarian culture emerged. The one you're probably thinking about when you say the rather inaccurate word Gallente. The hostilities with the Morthane Empire preceded the First Renaissance, so in a way, you could argue that a "love of freedom and individuality" was made to be contrary, reactionary, to the Morthane Empire - in the same way you could argue that the only true unifying ethnic Gallente pathology is spite. You could also argue that these new philosophies about rights and freedoms and governance were heavily influenced by the newly established international trading powerhouse that was - is - Hueromont. Take THAT, Caille! [24]

Anyway, the Garoun got mad at kings and emperors and whatever because that's not very freedom-loving. And Morthane used that as an opportunity to invade and destroy the Empire. What was left of a unified Garoun kept Morthane from dominating the region, but it sacrificed its unity in doing so. [25]

So that's a bit different from that idea that the Garoun Empire bullied Morthane into submission. In so many ways, the Morthane Empire was far more powerful than the Garoun continent, and it's possible that only thing that stopped it from dominating the region was the wide distance between the two. [26]

"But what about the proxy wars of the three bloc era!" Ok, look here you little **** - wait, sorry, I'm not talking to Charlie. No, I get that the telecommunications network had a homogenising effect, I don't dispute that, but that went both ways. Just as the populations of network users on the Garoun continent spread these ideas of democracy, Morthane spread back their ideas of authoritarianism, might-makes-right, domination. When Gallentia mish-mashed together during the years it was just the Caldari and ethnic Gallente against the empty stars, Morthane didn't disappear and become subsumed. Not really. It mixed together with Garoun and Hueromont... all the good parts, and all the bad. If you look at U-Nat ideology and rhetoric and compare it to the documents and recordings of Morthane long gone, you'll find too many chilling parallels. The Garoun successor states didn't just "destroy" the coherence of the Morthane. They destroyed their own. And Hueromont's, too! Like mutually assured destruction, except with an early precursor to the Galnet instead of weapons. Unless you consider Galnet a weapon. [27]
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-05-10 06:42:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tressith Sefira
I get that the Garoun continent and successor states are the easiest to point a finger at. They're flashy. Powerful. They've got beautiful bathhouses with the marble pillars and they do recreational drugs. I get that Morthane makes a real appealing underdog in that ethnic-Gallente-cultural-imperialists debate. It's just way more complicated than that. It's way more complicated than this one word "Gallente" that you don't seem to understand also includes the Jin-Mei and Amarr and Sebbies who also live in the ******* Federation and haven't done anything wrong and I'm POSITIVE you don't mean them when you say that dirty nasty hedonistic word "Gallente." Can't you leave them alone?

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Caldari State
#5 - 2017-05-10 07:06:28 UTC
Informative!

Shady gentleman with a shady plan

#6 - 2017-05-10 07:12:18 UTC
Tressith Sefira wrote:
TL;DR upgrade your racism with this one EASY trick

But if I am a better racist than other racists, they'll accuse me of oppressing them by having homogenized their own skills! And we can't have that.

Good posts, though, T. Any time someone doesn't get what I'm trying to get at when I say Gallente they'll just get a big fat link here instead and I'll make them sit here and read this and they'll complain and I'll say, tough stuff, buddy, this is your mistake.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.

Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-05-10 07:19:10 UTC
Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:
Any time someone doesn't get what I'm trying to get at when I say Gallente they'll just get a big fat link here instead and I'll make them sit here and read this and they'll complain and I'll say, tough stuff, buddy, this is your mistake.


To be fair to them, though, it's stupid complicated and it doesn't make much sense when you try to talk about it. Even living inside the Federation and identifying as ethnic Gallente doesn't guarantee a fluent understanding of it. "What do you mean, you're ethnic Gallente just because you say so? You're clearly Khanid! Look at your skin!" - "Oh, I see you're a racist." It's all a touch comical.
HYDRA RELOADED
#8 - 2017-05-10 10:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
People put too much effort into labeling each other.

But certainly informative. Even for someone who grew up in the big melting pot.

Death rides a fast C4mel

#9 - 2017-05-10 11:12:50 UTC
The important question, though, is whether you still get pinged by your equipment whenever someone says Gallente, Triss...

Gallente Gallente Gallente...
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-05-10 11:23:03 UTC
Ereka Nihil wrote:
The important question, though, is whether you still get pinged by your equipment whenever someone says Gallente, Triss...

Gallente Gallente Gallente...


My one weakness!

Yeah, I still have my neocom set to ping me whenever someone says "Gallente." Because I hate myself, and I deserve to suffer.
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2017-05-10 13:04:42 UTC
... and this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

(Come ON, people, it took until the 10th reply? None of you jumped on this first so she can't do it? Disappointing.)
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2017-05-10 15:19:41 UTC
I approve of the detail, but the annotations make me tingly.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-05-10 16:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Saccade Amir
hell **** yes on an open face **** sandwich, you even got the ****** bathhouses in there. Someday.

and cause somebody has to: CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIILLE FOR LIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE
#14 - 2017-05-10 16:50:02 UTC
Uh ... so, Triss? I'm grateful for the history lesson and the nuance, but, to add a little from the other side....

If it's called the "Gallente Federation," which it mostly is, and what most of us see of it is its metaculture (as seen through a telescope) and its foreign policy, and if those things aren't really traceable to any single group within the Federation, but appear plain as day to people outside it, AND "the Gallente" isn't very meaningful inside the Federation but appears pretty clear to those of us living at a distance from you and in radically different cultures....

Doesn't that basically mean that "the Gallente" is still useful, but maybe as a catch-all term for Federal entities and policies, and especially those originating in the Federation's metaculture or something?
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-05-10 17:05:45 UTC
First, thanks for responding, Aria. You're forever a gem.

Second, no, because these supposed Federation "entities," "policies," and singular "metaculture" doesn't exist as foreigners understand them, and there ain't no point in being racist against something that don't exist. Really, this term "the Gallente" is far more useful in showing that the speaker in question don't got no clue about what he's talking about or is an expert satirical producer. There's a fine, if debatable line.

When I'm not delirious in bed with sleep deprivation I'll drop another text tank about how those things don't exist with full citations. I think I can manage that in a single post without hitting the text limit.

Saccade, I love you and also you suck.

Pieter, sometimes I have private thoughts and then make mental citations for them in the CLA format. We have a spiritual connection.
Sani-Sabik
#16 - 2017-05-10 17:11:36 UTC
I feel compelled to point out, that alternative guides to Gallente culture exist.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

#17 - 2017-05-10 17:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Tressith Sefira wrote:
First, thanks for responding, Aria. You're forever a gem.

Second, no, because these supposed Federation "entities," "policies," and singular "metaculture" doesn't exist as foreigners understand them, and there ain't no point in being racist against something that don't exist. Really, this term "the Gallente" is far more useful in showing that the speaker in question don't got no clue about what he's talking about or is an expert satirical producer. There's a fine, if debatable line.

Only, Triss? If these things don't exist, how come the Caldari (mostly) experience of them is so, well, vivid? It's not just State propaganda, I don't think? For decades, the Federation has exported a certain vision of itself, and a certain moral sensibility, through its media, which gets exported basically everywhere. The stereotypes the rest of us have about the Federation mostly come from such things, I think, and it's not like Federal policy is an incoherent thing, or very out of tune with those images.

If these things are illusions, where are they coming from, and why do they seem so real?

Personally, I kind of try not to make too many assumptions about people just based on what they look like. I'm half Civire, myself, not that this inoculates me particularly. But, virtually all New Eden's cultures other than yours seem to be at least a little "racist." The Caldari, with their obsession with pure bloodlines, and the orthodox True Amarr supremacists are obvious, but also a lot of Matari can hardly stop carrying on about how clever the Sebiestor are.

Myself, I'm not completely sure: how much is ancestry, and how much is culture? Is my tendency toward introspection because my mother was an Achur, or because I was raised Achura? Is my reckless streak because I'm half Civire, or is it just me? Or is it maybe that I know my father was Civire, and Civire are expected to be aggressive?

So I hope you won't feel like I'm just looking to nail down something to call "Gallente" so that I can point to it and say, "Gallente are like thus-and-such." Even if such a group existed, it's something I'd be pretty ambivalent about.

Only ... hiking in the highlands, I found a rock high up on a peak. It wasn't anything particularly unusual for its surroundings, "just a chunk of granite," you might say, but patterned, cracked, and weathered in ways that probably made it unique in all the world, maybe in the whole universe. I left it there, and traveled on a ways. An hour or two later, when I looked back, all I could see was the mountain.
#18 - 2017-05-10 18:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Valerie Valate wrote:
I feel compelled to point out, that alternative guides to Gallente culture exist.


Still doesn't top "Gallente"
- without sources!

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Sani-Sabik
#19 - 2017-05-10 19:13:28 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
I feel compelled to point out, that alternative guides to Gallente culture exist.


Still doesn't top the original, or as I should now call it: "Gallente"
- without sources!


The "original", written by you, seven months after my article.


Quite.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

#20 - 2017-05-10 22:37:03 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
I feel compelled to point out, that alternative guides to Gallente culture exist.


Still doesn't top the original, or as I should now call it: "Gallente"
- without sources!


The "original", written by you, seven months after my article.


Quite.


Oh, right.

I probably should've checked the year.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

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