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Why CVA can be heretic, but others cant?

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Silent Infinity
#1 - 2017-05-11 17:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaari
My question is why CVA is protecting their own members in cost of others in Providence Coalition?

CVA member can do pretty much anything. He can swear loyalty to Sansha, Sani Sabik, Purity of Throne, I have seen these all. CVA does nothing. It is like normal day of their lives.

They however boast to be some kind of Amarr Loyalist Alliance. They live on past glory. CVA members are allowed to do anything, that is not direct assault against Proviblock ships or sovreignity on stars. It really does not matter. I have raised over twenty trial over clear heresy against CVA member during current reign, and perhaps 4 has been answered. 1 was many, many years ago, when Sir Daedalus himself expelled Sani Sabik worshipper. Most recent have happened within 1,5 years when I, Lord Vaari have caused enought fuss for officials to do something against accused.

When it comes people outside of CVA, justice is merciless. Even if I ask mercy, it is not given to the accused. Recent victim am I, Lord Vaari for purely political motives. I was too difficult for especially Xhjfxx the Terrible, who set me on kos. After KOS set, I have been promised over 56 billion isk to cover my losses in hands of CVA. Most highest single promise of cover is 10 billion isk.

CVA should decide if they want to be amarrian loyalist or not. It is entirely allowed not to be amarrian loyalist alliance, but it is not allowed to pretend to be, when faitful people are fooled.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Arx Alliance
#2 - 2017-05-11 17:40:23 UTC
The following question is not of my corporation or alliance, but rather my own.

What evidence do you have hat anyone of CVA gave their backing to Nation? That is a serious accusation of itself if current and true.

I'll let others ask about the other matters...
Silent Infinity
#3 - 2017-05-11 17:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaari
Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote:
The following question is not of my corporation or alliance, but rather my own.

What evidence do you have hat anyone of CVA gave their backing to Nation? That is a serious accusation of itself if current and true.

I'll let others ask about the other matters...


Good question. None. As I have no evidence of anything else, since I have been removed from CVA forums.

Many loyalist organizations can confrim that CVA is not loyalist alliance. If they are something, it is more like Amrr Aligned alliance.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-05-11 18:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Vaari wrote:
My question is why CVA is protecting their own members in cost of others in Providence Coalition?


Funny, I thought it was "Why CVA can be heretic, but others cant?"

Either way, the answer is simple. Iti s direct. And it is you.

Yes, YOU. You, Lord Vaari, are the reason CVA members can behave this way, and others cannot. It's all because of that thing you do every night. You know the one. The one that's so vile, so disturbing, that not even the IGS can handle open discussion of it. So utterly revolting and beyond the pale that not even a Goon can speak of it without vomiting.

It's you. That's the answer you're seeking, Lord Vaari.

Why can CVA members get away with all of these things? Because of you.
Silent Infinity
#5 - 2017-05-11 18:01:29 UTC
I should not be commenting as my voice carries little weight. However I will not stand by while CVA assaults my brothers and sisters while insulting the very idea of Providence. Take a trip around Lowsec. Especially around Amarr. You would have to be blind to miss what's going on there. Take a trip around Providence. Watch CVA's defense fleets chase 'rogue blues' like dogs while ignoring Red Fleets. There are honorable and decent individuals within CVA and I do not wish to paint the entire Alliance with the same brush as the cancer within it. However, those within CVA do know what's going on. I implore that Providence as a whole to take care of this issue as it is not just between CVA and Lord Vaari. We all know what's going on as it has been going on for some time. A little respect and honesty may remedy this issue and make ProvBloc stronger in the future.
Electus Matari
#6 - 2017-05-11 18:30:36 UTC
Because CVA does not actually give a damn about the Empire.

Next question.
Silent Infinity
#7 - 2017-05-11 18:47:33 UTC
Song to leaders of the Providence coalition alliances.


Leaders!
The time has come to be alive
In the ProviBlock, where we will thrive
With our brothers.

Leaders remind
That time will not unwind.
The xhjfx’s crooked spine,
Will never straighten into line.

What we plea will be
A faithful end decree,
Where a man will not retreat
From the defeat of his fathers.

Leaders!
A time has come for battle lines.
We will cut these knotted ties,
And some may live and some may die.

Leaders, come to me
Leaders, come to me
Leaders, come to see
Can-a you, can-a you come to see,
As you once were blind
In the light now you can sing?
In our strength we can rely,
And history will not repeat.

Leaders, come to me
Leaders, come to me
Leaders, come to see
Can-a you, can-a you come to see,
As you once were blind
In the light now you can sing?
In our strength we can rely,
And history will not repeat.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Aureus Alae
#8 - 2017-05-12 10:29:34 UTC
Shalishaska Laoch wrote:
I should not be commenting as my voice carries little weight. However I will not stand by while CVA assaults my brothers and sisters while insulting the very idea of Providence. Take a trip around Lowsec. Especially around Amarr. You would have to be blind to miss what's going on there. Take a trip around Providence. Watch CVA's defense fleets chase 'rogue blues' like dogs while ignoring Red Fleets. There are honorable and decent individuals within CVA and I do not wish to paint the entire Alliance with the same brush as the cancer within it. However, those within CVA do know what's going on. I implore that Providence as a whole to take care of this issue as it is not just between CVA and Lord Vaari. We all know what's going on as it has been going on for some time. A little respect and honesty may remedy this issue and make ProvBloc stronger in the future.


you know if you have some problems, you should not try to resolve it on public forum.
because it looks like 5th column in the time of war. I think Goonswarm Lady has right, Cva right now dont need
inside conflicts and Lord Vaari ignite them and this is beyound rpg and just to destructive.

#9 - 2017-05-12 11:21:57 UTC
Loyalists. Ugh !!!

"We are the Harbingers of hope, We are the Sword of the Righteous"

"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"

Purist Lord Admiral Victor

Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#10 - 2017-05-12 12:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
My Dearest Lord Vaari,

You ask questions now that have been put forth by those like the Praetorians for many years.

I myself made Cardinal as a member of CVA. I departed soon after because there simply was no Calling in Service to the Faith to be found there, a point Alliance leaders made loudly clear to the Clergy on many occasions.

Given that your Lordship conducts his household and affairs like a YC20's-era Holder, it may take you a while to catch up to this revelation that the rest of us have understood for a mere decade or so.

Thus, when you declare to the Empyrean world that CVA is not a Beacon of the Faith Unto Creation, there is an urge to smile wryly, pat you on the back, and warmly welcome your Lordship to the Present Age. Your wardrobe is soooo last century.

Cardinal Graelyn

Imperial Liaison, I-RED

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

#11 - 2017-05-12 12:57:35 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Because CVA does not actually give a damn about the Empire.

Next question.


Perhaps at one time...

Now almost forgotten.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.

Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2017-05-12 13:32:23 UTC
Lord Vaari,

It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.

"Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal. Usually, it's aimed at people they don't like, who aren't serving the way it's believed they should serve.

A true heretic goes against not just the letter of God in the Scriptures, but against the spirit of the meaning as well. It's entirely probable that groups like CVA are ungodly, but are they heretical as a whole? No. If they were Sabik, if they spoke out against God, then yes.

Remember, for three hundred years, the Khanid Kingdom was separate from the greater Empire. We made ties with the Caldari State. We were often called heretics. But we served God first and foremost and now we have reunification with the Empire. If we were really such heretics, would the Kingdom have been so welcomed back? Would Khanid II?

There is a difference between heretic and heathen.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2017-05-12 14:44:25 UTC
Punctator wrote:
you know if you have some problems, you should not try to resolve it on public forum.
because it looks like 5th column in the time of war. I think Goonswarm Lady has right, Cva right now dont need
inside conflicts and Lord Vaari ignite them and this is beyound rpg and just to destructive.


Honestly, if he's got problems with CVA not engaging red fleets, he should talk to Jin'taan. He might find out, for example, that multiple fleets of 'reds' coming from the direction of, say, Delve (purely as a hypothetical example) are actually moving through hunting Waffles and PanFam on the offchance they turn up to defend a bunch of cits they got Specrefleet to drop for timers and potential stagers.

Hypothetically.
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-05-12 14:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Graelyn wrote:
Your wardrobe is soooo last century.


The glasses are kinda goofy, too. I mean, I've got my welding goggles, and of course, the aviators for when I'm hung over, but corrective lenses? Really?

Also, Sinjin...

Sinjin Mokk wrote:

"Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal.


I think you should look in on the 'fighting' between the Sani and the Purists. They're both calling one another heretics. It ain't just the loyalists who like that word.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#15 - 2017-05-12 15:36:58 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Graelyn wrote:
Your wardrobe is soooo last century.


The glasses are kinda goofy, too. I mean, I've got my welding goggles, and of course, the aviators for when I'm hung over, but corrective lenses? Really?

Also, Sinjin...

Sinjin Mokk wrote:

"Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal.


I think you should look in on the 'fighting' between the Sani and the Purists. They're both calling one another heretics. It ain't just the loyalists who like that word.


What is a loyalist and what is a heretic? Each persons faith labels the other a heretic, yet those that stand with them are loyalists. It is all a matter of perspective.

Is Providence the same religious region it once was, probably not. Times and pilots change in New Eden. If however the empire or our amarrian allies are ever under grave threat I have no doubt we will help them. Is that not being Loyal?

I do not want to get into the accusation that Mr. Vaari has made in the post, I trust you all know him well enough to make your own decision on the validity of these charges. Right now, there are more important tasks to be done in Providence.

Amarr Victor!
Erika Wallker

Pentag Blade!

Evictus.
#16 - 2017-05-12 16:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ChristianBlood Blood
Lord Vaari,

It appears sir that you are at an impasse. You had been cautioned and counseled on various occasions regarding your behavior. In your arrogance and pride you failed to head to these censures, which directly corresponds to your current circumstance. You sir knew that your actions would possibly make you an enemy of Providence; sadly your vanity has blinded you to the reality that you have created dear sir. You are the master of your fate, you are the director of your actions sir, you!

I suggest that you begin to move your assets elsewhere, from Providence. This should have been your priority from the onset of this situation. Perhaps you can explore the Great Wildlands, or perhaps the fine people in PIE, will tolerate you insolence and audacity for some time. Perhaps you may find a fine group of Amarrian pilots that you will find a new home with.

Regardless of that sir, I do believe the time has come for you to stop wasting your time and that of these fine people in Galnet and begin the healing process of moving on.



Yours In Service,

ChristianBlood Blood
Silent Infinity
#17 - 2017-05-13 14:11:55 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Lord Vaari,

It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.




No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2017-05-13 14:26:22 UTC
Vaari wrote:

No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.


Well, then given the Empress' welcome of Sanmatar Shakor, it seems God wants you to get over yourself and tolerate the heathen among you. So maybe you should tolerate CVA?
Silent Infinity
#19 - 2017-05-13 14:36:29 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:

No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.


Well, then given the Empress' welcome of Sanmatar Shakor, it seems God wants you to get over yourself and tolerate the heathen among you. So maybe you should tolerate CVA?


My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Haighare Pirates
#20 - 2017-05-14 00:05:14 UTC
Wow Mister Vaari! You must really hate the CVA!

It pales in comparison to how much I hate Pandemic Horde. But it's pretty close though!
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