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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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Rooks and Kings
#1 - 2011-09-09 16:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

#2 - 2011-09-09 17:03:23 UTC
More vague promises.

Praise the NDA!
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-09 17:04:43 UTC
i hope the CSM is successful in their endeavors to get lots of love for FiS in the winter expansion

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Caldari State
#4 - 2011-09-09 17:05:08 UTC
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.
K162
#5 - 2011-09-09 17:06:12 UTC
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Rooks and Kings
#6 - 2011-09-09 17:08:17 UTC
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.


It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

#7 - 2011-09-09 17:08:29 UTC
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.

Those rules clearly undermine your usefulness.
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-09 17:09:16 UTC
to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call.

your efforts are much appreciated.
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-09-09 17:09:41 UTC
can you encourage CCP Zulu to come into the thread and make some substantive comments, i know you guys aren't allowed to reveal anything.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

#10 - 2011-09-09 17:11:18 UTC
WoW.

I really do hope we get more FiS development...

I really want EvE to do well but on a more selfish note

I just lack things to do and am bored and frustrated with eve....

hope some changes to FiS re-invigorate my desire to actually log in.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-09-09 17:11:23 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.


It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.



Forgive my frustrations, its Friday afternoon I dont envisage any new information comming to light till Best speed Monday at best. Heres hoping i am completly wrong Pirate
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-09-09 17:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Durign that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them.
so this is all about FiS budget vs Incarna budget now?

... and I thought there was a strong EVE vs DUST vs WoD component in the CSM's displeasure about resource prioritization.

I guess Zulu can use you as a bargaining chip if we get lucky ("the CSM made me do over 9000 additional projects that I don't have the manpower to do unless you increase my budget") What?

But this wasn't really what I had hoped for after all the talk about addressing upper management ...

(pretty sure that for Apocrypha - the great "all hands on deck" example everybody has been ranting about lately - manpower from other (non-EVE) teams was borrowed)
Brotherhood of Spacers
#13 - 2011-09-09 17:15:28 UTC
You have my bow!

RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24

#14 - 2011-09-09 17:17:47 UTC
Yay more Vague discussions, what was it that CCP once said "we look at what player do not what they say" ... well same goes back at ya CCP/CSM
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#15 - 2011-09-09 17:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Great work CSM 6! Continue to do your best to get more devs actually assigned to eve core game play.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-09 17:21:59 UTC
I think this CSM is really holding CCP's feet to the fire on any issue that the community perceives to be a problem. However, I also feel CCP have just gotten better flame-proof boots and will still find a way to ignore it.

From what I can tell about the minutes of the last 2 summits (including the emergency ones), it seems that CCP will bend over backwards to try to tell the CSM whatever they want to hear in order to get them off their backs, yet have no intention of actually following through with anything, because they have the attitude that they know best. They just want to shut the CSM up and make them happy. To me it feels like express diplomacy to get the CSM out of their hair, and nothing more.

About 15 years ago, I worked for a retired air force colonel who had been an attaché to the Canadian embassy in Moscow in the late 80s. From his experience, he described successful diplomacy as: "the fine art of telling someone to go to Hell in such a way that they leave looking forward to the trip". From what I can tell, CCP management have become quite proficient in this artform.

People were constantly telling me I was crazy. For a long time I didn't believe them, but after a while, I started to think they might be right.

But it turns out that they were all wrong. One of the voices in my head is a psychiatrist and he says I'm perfectly sane.

Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-09-09 17:23:38 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6

cool story bro
#18 - 2011-09-09 17:26:55 UTC
Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu...

I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS.
#19 - 2011-09-09 17:34:02 UTC
Does this mean we get sparkled Pony ships with lipstick and giant flying kittens? Shocked I can't hold out any longer!
K162
#20 - 2011-09-09 17:38:09 UTC
E man Industries wrote:
Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu...

I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS.


I'm 99% sure that the only person above Zulu is Hilmar.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

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