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Mark Marconi

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  • F2P Restrictions are too great in EVE Communication Center

    Keno Skir wrote:
    Toobo wrote:
    While the OP is probably rightly seen as a whine about free things, so easy to debunk and argue against, I do not such feedbacks are without value to CCP and the community. This is something new CCP has tried, and although some of the complaints may not be justified, I think it's also natural to consider the possibility that CCP didn't get it 'perfect' (I mean who could get things perfect anyways).

    I too consider myself a fan boy to some extent, but in brushing off little whines here and there, and always using the 'CCP is a company and its interests are in business', we may also be brushing off some of the details that are good to consider. I've seen this multiple times now over the years, where fan boys (like me) vociferously shoot down and whines and complaints. But it is also true that EVE is not yet a perfect game and CCP is not a perfectly run business (probably no one can make that claim anyway but...).

    Maybe not on this particular thread, but in other threads similar to this I saw some ideas that sounded reasonable for CCP to consider, but they just get shot down as 'why yo complain about free stuff'.

    Just my two cents


    If they made any good suggestions, with a respectful attitude they wouldn't get flamed near so much.

    This is pretty much it.

    Most of the things that people seem to be demanding go into the range where personally Ii think they should be paying. Cloaking for example as even the ability to cloak for a minute is a very powerful ability. These skills have the ability to alter the game to much without the individual paying for the right and the fact is that the Alphas will enjoy future expansions paid for by Omegas.

    However I have not heard anyone make a case for limited use of PI by Alphas.

    From an industry perspective PI is an important thing and alphas should be allowed to dip their toes into it, with limited planets (1), limited scanning skills and limited exporting.

    After all the biggest danger posed by Alphas is players with no lives making piles of them and flooding the market.

  • 2141238123 Jumps ? in EVE Communication Center

    Nevyn Auscent wrote:
    Have you set that system as a system to avoid, in which case the autopilot is trying to find you a route to it without entering it. So gets very confused.
    This can also happen if a choke point is on your route and you have avoided it.

    Just remove everything on your avoidance list and see what happens.

  • What's the sense of upgrading your account? in EVE Communication Center

    de Obliviator Preon wrote:
    Mark Marconi wrote:
    Welcome to the exciting world of being an Omega.

    You get all of the above as well as contributing to future expansions of EvE Online and the added advantage that when you complain on the forums, you are complaining as a paying customer and not a whining free loader.

    Yes, that all is great, but do I get a license? 'Cause you know how they love to scream out on us: "Treak or treat! You upgraded your account, but we didn't say that you will get a license! Ha-Ha-Ha!"

    It used to be that a plex or a subscription was the pilot license.

    Now with alphas existing I suppose you could say you purchased your advanced pilot's license.

  • What's the sense of upgrading your account? in EVE Communication Center

    Welcome to the exciting world of being an Omega.

    You get all of the above as well as contributing to future expansions of EvE Online and the added advantage that when you complain on the forums, you are complaining as a paying customer and not a whining free loader.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    Attendance at the meetings is a good thing to have. However, it's not a requirement, and most of what we do is done asynchronously, via the CCP's internal wiki, and using CCP's hipchat. The meetings are, tbh, a minor point.

    Unfortunately, the other interactions are somewhat difficult to quantify. Unlike meeting attendance. Of courser, if you can't see how even a 100% rate could be useless (It's not in this case. I'm speaking in hypotheticals) then you're not thinking about things.

    Actually it is rather funny you should say that.

    After the suggestion about reddit, I had a look and found this

    So apparently the fact that the current CSM don't communicate with the players much is not a new thing as that article is 4 months old.

    Apparently last years CSM also had a similar low turn out for meetings where they were described as
    Quote:
    The meetings only account for maybe 50% of the communication we have with ccp. Manny is around on slack and the internal communications we have with ccp, many a long 'back in the day' talk has been shared with Manny on the csm.


    So they are not a requirement and make up a large proportion of the interaction with CCP.

    While attendance is not a guaranteed measure of participation in the CSM it is the main publicly available indicator players have and as I said before, if it was not important CCP would not be bothering to waste time and money on it.

    And once again I will state that you wanted this job. You ran for election to get this job as did the rest of the CSM.

    And the net effect of the CSM is that CCP communicate less with the players because of the CSM. The CSM needs to go and after reading reddit and the Crossing Zebras article I know I am not alone in my desire to see it gone.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Malcanis wrote:
    Mark Marconi wrote:


    So in the case of the weekly attendance, you would expect every member to attend at least 75% of the meetings. The reality is anything but that.


    Oh, CCP started paying the CSM now? Maybe a nice few hundred a week?

    No? No?

    Well then the CSM members gotta go to work sometimes.

    I was on the CSM. I attended weekly meetings when I could. Aint got the stats to hand, but I'd guess it was about 25%. Sometimes I was on holiday. Sometimes I could work from home. Sometimes I didn't have some damb family business to attend to. Sometimes I was able to put in some unpaid hours to talk with the other CSMs and the CCP people whom I all liked quite a lot to give as much input as possible into whatever I knew somehing about.

    When I couldn't make those meetings because I had to, you know, work to get money to pay the rent and buy food, I caught up by reading the minutes and talking with the other CSMs. I didn't just sit on my ass.

    So please have a nice hot cup of shove your entitlement about what you think you can demand unpaid volunteers do.

    It was your job and you put your hand up for it. No one forced you or the current CSM to do so.

    You made a commitment to be on the CSM and do the job, knowing that you didn't have the time to do it. So that just shows you didn't think the CSM was worth much.

    You volunteered and even ran for election. Did you ever post about how you didn't have time to do the job, before the election?

  • F2P Restrictions are too great in EVE Communication Center

    I must admit i am surprised by how many people just seem to forget that CCP is a business with a staff and overheads.

    This game was not designed to be a free to play like World of Tanks.

    But has slotted in Free to Play like Blizzard did in World of Warcraft.

    The ability to still play and interact with the game without payment is a big step but if CCP give away too much them no one will have a game as it is now because CCP would have to radically alter the game just so they actually made money.

    Also don't forget "Free to Play" is never Free, someone is footing the bill and now its the Omegas footing the bill for Development and CCPs overheads.

  • CHRISTMAS - Gallente Snow Drones?? in EVE Communication Center

    stoicfaux wrote:
    Lifelongnoob's Brother wrote:
    Wanda Fayne wrote:
    Gallentes Know Drones!!
    ftfy


    make the drones look like reindeer and it would be cool

    Drones that fly in formation in two lines abreast in front of your ship would be cooler. Now Hammerhead! Now Hobgoblin! Now Ogre and Garde! Err wait...


    Whats next 1400mm Howitzer candy cane rounds.

    Big smile

  • Manufacturing job stuck in EVE Communication Center

    Yeah been there done that.

    Renaming it wont help.

    Just pick up the container and dump it into a ship then deliver the job.

    Yeah it would be great if they fixed this bug.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Looking at how seriously the members of the CSM takes the CSM is also a good measure as to why the CSM has to go.

    Thank you to Jin'taan and the Judge for the weekly attendance and updates.

    Now the CSM is a voluntary position. However having said that it is a job, a job every member of the CSM stood up and stated they would do.

    So in the case of the weekly attendance, you would expect every member to attend at least 75% of the meetings. The reality is anything but that.

    Now the weekly meetings are:

    Jin'taan wrote:
    The main one here is the CSM Meeting Attendance sheet, which tracks each meeting we are asked to attend, and who attends them.


    So these are the meetings that CCP has asked the members of the CSM to attend. So pretty important or CCP would not bother wasting their time and money on.

    The actual attendance for these meetings was:

    The Judge 100%
    Steve Ronuken 94%
    Jin'taan 91%
    Xenuria 88%
    Inomminate 75%
    Sullen Decimus 75%
    Bobmon 69%
    Nashh Kadavar 69%
    Gorski Car 50%
    Fafer 41%
    Kyle Aparthos 38%
    Noobman 38%
    Mr Hyde113 31%
    Aryth 22%

    So taking 75% as a reasonable margin, 8 of the 14 members did not even meet that with 5 members not reaching 50%.
    I must admit I was impressed with The Judge's 100% and Steve's 94% but more than half of the CSM don't meet reasonable expectations.

    Now it is the CSMs job and they wanted it but if the members of the CSM can't be bothered with the CSM, why would anyone else.

    The CSM has become little more than an excuse for CCP not to interact with their customers properly and someone to blame when things go horribly wrong.

    It is time the CSM was disbanded after all, the majority of the CSM can't even be bothered with the CSM.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Hiroshi Yakasuki wrote:
    Gurney Hallack wrote:
    OP, check out the eve subforum on Reddit. This is where the real conversations take place. Where CCP has no control. Devs and CSM both are regulars.



    So... little to no activity and engagement with the official community forums is justified because, somewhere else, people are doing talking.

    Sets a great example for all the new players.

    Quote:
    "Have a suggestion? Go post it on reddit, because nobody listens here."

    Yeah it makes about as much sense as saying "Yeah but we write a weekly article in the New York Times"

    And they wonder why no one bothers to vote for the CSM any more.

  • News Flash in EVE Communication Center

    Sexy Cakes wrote:
    Neuntausend wrote:
    Even if you got a billion just for logging in once a month you wouldn't play for free if you used that billion to buy a PLEX. You could have used that billion to buy something else. Saying a PLEX bought from the spoils of one month of AFK ratting is "free" is the same as saying that Carriers are free. If Carriers are free, why doesn't everybody have some, just for ***** and giggles?

    If you give something (no matter what or how you got it) to get something, that something is not free. You could argue that Eve is not very expensive. That would be very subjective but hard to refute. But when you say it's free, you are mistaken.


    People in this game convolute opportunity cost to justify spending their RL money on pixels worse than any other game I've played. At least when someone buys skins in real free to play games they don't have to try to lie to themselves about it and just call it a waste of money on a hobby. In EVE you tryhards think you are going fool anyone else as bad as you fool yourself into believing dropping 200 bucks on PLEX is actually a proactive thing in your life so you don't spend 3 months grinding out a super. Ya right...

    Actually the opportunity cost of PLEX grinding is quite high.

    In the time you spend grinding a PLEX, you could be working a second job or studying.

    Now the time you sent grinding over a few years is enough study time to substantially improve your education and your pay packet.

    Now with Alpha clones you do not even have to stop playing to remain revenue neutral at the start and it gets to the point where it is cheaper from an opportunity cost perspective to drop that $200 (very quickly at $200 per 3 months) because your time is more valuable than that.

  • Self Destruct POS in EVE Communication Center

    Make it fun. The full Star Trek 5 minute Timer with an explosion radius 10 times the size of a citadel with some good damage.

    Make it fun and funny.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    No point in voting. really? That's what you're going with? Why no point? Because null sec always gets people in? Ever think that may be because you're not voting?


    No actually it is more to the point that CCP uses and has for years now the CSM as a convenient way not to interact as much as they really should with the playerbase, while chucking the CSM under a bus when it suites them.

    At at the end of the day we lose actual interaction with CCP for influence that is no longer worth the paper its printed on.

    Its no so much that the CSM is the Null sec lobby, while it still is to a degree it is more the why bother group.

    I do not wish to belittle the hard work you do, which I grant you do and probably a lot of, it is more what the CSM has become and that is useless.

    The CSM now makes as much sense as paying twice the price for a left handed screwdriver.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    Just wanted to bring something up about the ECs.
    The CSM spent a lot of time talking with CCP about ECs, both before and after release of details. We saw hard figures at the same time as the community did, and immediately went back to CCP to talk about changes. (As a call out, Sullen Decimus put in a great deal of time there)

    What this shows is failing communications between the CSM and CCP.
    Take Two Steps thread naught. he had to keep his mouth shut for ages as CCP would not listen and he was bound by the NDA. However as soon as it became public he was off the block. The fact your not even being told is worse than I thought.
    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    An important point is, the CSM have no control. We're an advisory body only. And yes, we have disagreements with CCP. They're under no obligation to do as we say; this, I'm sure you'll agree, is a good thing. They do listen, but they come at the game from a different angle from us.

    Yes you are but compared to the earlier CSMs the influence is to such a point you have to ask, why bother.
    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    Now, onto some of your points:

    You do know that you can't really complain that CCP is listening to a very small subset of players, because they're the players who vote? The franchise is wide open. _Anyone_ can vote. _Anyone_ can run for CSM. And with the voting system picked, fringe candidates have a far better chance of being elected, because a vote for them isn't a waste. you can pick a handful of people who represent you, and the votes will condense on the candidates with the support to be elected. 5 highsec candidates don't destroy each other's chance to be elected. As long as they're all on the ballots, _some_ of them will be elected.

    Its not that people have candidates, it that the last few years have shown there is no point in voting.

    You are asking people to vote for a lack of interaction with CCP, via a small group, that has rarely shown the ability to help the majority of the players in the game.

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    As for the forums being a primary point of communication:

    The fact he responded to you quickly should tell you something. He's keeping an eye on the forums. So he's seeing what people are seeing. Perhaps not directly engaging with everything, but keeping an eye on the pulse of the community.

    Yet besides your posting Steve there is damn all trace of the CSM on these forums.

    Votes are almost at an all time low and the CSM is using silence to boost itself?

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    Onto the white paper:

    The change in coordinators has brought a bunch of change to the CSM. this is one of the places. Now, CCP will always retain some control here. They're a commercial organisation. That's not going to change. And expecting it to is naive. But where there aren't commercial concerns (such as the conflict of interest to do with that article) they're very open with us.

    No I don't expect a commercial organisation to but it underlines the impotence of the CSM now as that was the first White Paper change ever rammed down the CSMs throat.

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    The Judge wrote:
    You are entitled to your opinion, even if I consider it wrong.

    I'd love to list the things we have discussed at length with CCP that have or haven't made it into the game, or are still works in progress, but you know... that pesky NDA. The community will never know 95% of what the CSM has worked on with CCP, and in all honesty, that's the benefit CCP gets out of it. We filter out the static of 1000 voices and condense that down to a workable list of concerns and ideas. CCP clearly finds value in the CSM, otherwise they wouldn't be flying this CSM out in full force (yes, all 14) a second time in one term. Unless you have been on the CSM, or work with CCP, who are you to make any comment on influence? I'd only dared to dream about having so much meaningful discussion with devs prior to being elected. But again, I can't exactly copy pasta things to make you think differently can I? That NDA and all.

    And you just listed a huge problem, without even realising it. The CSM with their own bias has filtered down thousands of voices to remove the static. Have you ever considered that filter is one of the reasons the subs in EvE online fall. CCP mostly ignore those voices because they have the CSM.

    Look at the mistakes CCP makes time and again, be it crimewatch, engineering structures, jump fatigue, etc..etc..etc..

    The Judge wrote:
    To assume that these forums are the only place that a CSM should communicate is ridiculous at best. Have you looked at the googledoc stickied to the top of this section of the forums? No? Hmm... I seem to remember there being multiple ways for players to contact us. I have had no issues with getting a hold of players or them getting a hold of me. Feel free to add me on skype, dm me on reddit, poke me on slack or evemail me any time!

    No I am assuming that the EvE forums, the forums of EvE Online should be the primary point of communication for the CSM. Oh and congrats on your first post this week.

    The Judge wrote:
    Yes, voter turnout was low last year. PCU was low, there was a change in coordinators (CCP Guard and CCP Logibro took over from CCP Leeloo) and a lack of any promotion for the CSM voting season because of that aforementioned. Do I expect a sharp upturn for the coming election? Probably. CCP Guard especially has been a strong supporter of pushing the next election season on the publicity front.

    The age old argument of "the csm doesn't represent people". How I love this argument. Clearly we do. Someone had to vote us in, right? If you feel you, personally, are not represented, then perhaps you should find a candidate in the next election that suits you better? The number of times I have had to explain to someone that yes, I have flown everywhere in EVE and yes, I do understand a lot more than nullsec is amazing. I for example spent two years sharing my time between low class wormholes and highsec before joining CO2. Before that I lived in lowsec for a very very long time. And before that I was a mission runner and industrialist (a bunch of wasted SP for my current interests). It might shock you to find out that CSM members by and large know a thing or two about EVE. Again, I urge you to vote in a candidate who you believe represents your interest better, but I also urge you to reach out and have a real discussion with the current CSM members and see if your preconceptions are as accurate as you think they are.

    Yes the PCU was down but you now "represent" 6% of the population or less. That is a minority. A rather small minority, yes people voted for you those people the CSM has spoken for inn majority for the last 6 years. Null sec.

    So how would you feel if your local retailer or government just listened to a minority and in some countries I will admit they do. From the basis of a company it is not a good model for growth or customer retention.

    Understanding something is not the question, lobbying is the question and as you stated " I was a mission runner and industrialist (a bunch of wasted SP for my current interests)".

    Why would vote something I think is killing the game, has destroyed CCPs ability to interact with the playerbase properly and has no useful value?

    The Judge wrote:
    Last but not least... We do control our own whitepaper. I'd personally like to rename it "code of conduct" and have a full rewrite before the next election. Maybe that's something we can get done as a service for whoever comes next.

    o7

    Oh do you!

    The Judge wrote:
    PS: Took me just over two hours to notice your thread and reply. How's that for communication!

    Shame it took a post like this to get you interested in the EvE forums.

    o7

  • Time for the CSM to be Old Yellered in Council of Stellar Management

    In a post in General chat I did a small amount of research and realised that besides Steve Ronuken, the majority of the CSM do not even bother to communicate to the players on these forums.

    Specifically in the last week

    Steve Ronuken - 9 posts
    Aryth - Nil, Last post 2 months ago
    Mr Hyde113 - Nil, Last post 3 months ago
    The Judge - Nil, 2 posts 2 weeks ago, previous 2 months ago
    Innominate - Nil, last post 2 years ago
    NoobMan - Nil, last post 2 months ago
    Jin'taan - 1 post, 3 the previous week
    Fafer - Nil, Last post 5 months ago
    Kyle Aparthos - Nil, Last post 5 months ago
    Bobmon - 4 posts, 4 posts 16 days ago
    Xenuria - Nil, 1 post a month ago, previous 3 months ago
    Mr Hyde113 - Nil, Last post 3 months ago
    Gorski Car - Nil, 1 post 2 months ago, previous 6 months ago
    Nashh Kadavr - 1 post, 1 post 2 months ago, previous 5 months ago
    Sullen Decimus - Nil, 1 post a month ago, previous 2 months

    The CSM has


    • no real communication skills to the community,
    • no longer controls even its own white paper,
    • has for years now done more harm than good as CCP listens to them rather than better communication with the rest of the playerbase
    • Is little more than a lobby group for Null sec
    • Now represents the smallest number of people since the CSM had 12 month terms


    In the election results for the CSM 11 it showed that 22345 votes were cast. Votes have not been this low since CSM4 and even CSM1 and CSM3 got more votes.

    Yes the playerbase has fallen but not to where it was in 2008. The CSM have failed to promote themselves to the players of the game and the next elections will likely prove to be another failure.

    Every election for the last few years CCP have promised to do more to promote the CSM and they have but not enough and the CSM have done little themselves.

    If CCP spent the time and money communicating with the community than it does with the CSM, there would be no point to the CSM in the first place and when we look back at the major achievements of the CSM, they actually come out of rage against CCP.

    Two Steps threadnaught on POS's, the rage over "Greed is Good" in 2010.

    The CSM was a great idea in the early days and you look at what they actually accomplished to the point CCP used to listen and what is the CSM now?

    Influence and even then not really, it looks more like a box on a form CCP ticks to say, yeah we ran that by the community. Just look at the changes they had to make on Engineering structures to make them barely swallowable by the community.

    The CSM does not even come close to representing the EvE online player base anymore.

    It is time for the CSM to be old yellered.

  • Characters kept by EVE forever? in EVE Communication Center

    Nana Skalski wrote:
    Steve posting is not a rare sight on these forums.

    Ok in fairness yes Steve does post a bit
    Specifically in the last week

    Steve Ronuken - 9 posts
    Aryth - Nil, Last post 2 months ago
    Mr Hyde113 - Nil, Last post 3 months ago
    The Judge - Nil, 2 posts 2 weeks ago, previous 2 months ago
    Innominate - Nil, last post 2 years ago
    NoobMan - Nil, last post 2 months ago
    Jin'taan - 1 post, 3 the previous week
    Fafer - Nil, Last post 5 months ago
    Kyle Aparthos - Nil, Last post 5 months ago
    Bobmon - 4 posts, 4 posts 16 days ago
    Xenuria - Nil, 1 post a month ago, previous 3 months ago
    Mr Hyde113 - Nil, Last post 3 months ago
    Gorski Car - Nil, 1 post 2 months ago, previous 6 months ago
    Nashh Kadavr - 1 post, 1 post 2 months ago, previous 5 months ago
    Sullen Decimus - Nil, 1 post a month ago, previous 2 months

    As I said Steve is the prolific one, yes but seriously the CSM has

    • no real communication skills to the community,
    • no longer controls even its own white paper,
    • has for years now done more harm than good as CCP listens to them rather than better communication with the rest of the playerbase
    • Is little more than a lobby group for Null sec
    • Now represents the smallest number of people since the CSM had 12 month terms


    It is time for the CSM to be old yellered.

  • Watch Lists in High Sec in EVE Technology and Research Center

    DioKahn wrote:
    I get as much value from using this forum as I do from Youtube comments. Bye. Roll

    If people don't like your idea of "Please bring back my free intel" and you spit the dummy.

    Maybe Merc work is not for you.

  • Characters kept by EVE forever? in EVE Communication Center

    Steve Ronuken wrote:
    Paranoid Loyd wrote:
    AFAIK they have only purged the DB once, they removed the trial account names. As alphas are more or less trial accounts they would probably be purged if necessary.



    They didn't purge the characters. Just the names.

    A CSM member posting on the forums.

    Are the elections in the next few months?

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The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.