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Obsidian Blacke

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  • Plex Pieces in EVE Communication Center

    Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
    ISD Max Trix wrote:
    This has come up before and to paraphrase what CCP has said on the topic, it is unlikely if ever something like this would be implemented.

    Personaly, I would not want this to happen. This is because it would seriously unbalance the game. Capital pilots would be able to plex solely for a fight, those who have month long subscriptions would gain no real benefit from it. In turn you would see the price for 1 NuPlex end up the same price as 1 OldPlex, which would defeat the purpose of the new PLEX system.


    Edit: Having a bit of trouble with removing the lock on this thread.


    Disagree 100%,
    The new Plex system was only implemented to reduce the number of alphas plexing their accounts
    By artificially raising the prices 50-100% to force subscriptions. CCP is trying to raise subscription numbers but theyre actually just pushing new players away who can't afford to subscribe or Plex now. People who can actually afford to subscribe are already subscribed, new and returning players are back because it was supposed to be cheaper to play and go directly to Plex.

    Old Plex system was much cheaper and intuitive for everyone involved,
    Plus a broken down chunk of time for one day let's say would mean your still not training for 29 days. Assuming I was going to queue up a 14 day skill it would take me over a year if I only bought one day per month to play as omega with 0 impact on the market.


    There's no need for any conspiracy theories. The new Plex system was implemented to unify the Aurum Store with Plex to make it easier to use the store. CCPs been pretty honest about that fact. This obviously has many benefits for both players and CCP. For players, the new store is more accessible, more intuitive, and only requires you to purchase as much plex as you need for the item you want. I've already gone shopping for skins, which I never would have done in the old store. For CCP, it encourages players to spend Plex on store items which hopefully leads to more plex being purchased, makes their store sales more attractive, and allows them to easily introduce new microtransaction items to the store at a later date if they so choose.

  • Thank you CCP!!! in EVE Communication Center

    The players are the ones to blame. They're the ones driving the price of PLEX up by buying PLEX off the market. If they stopped buying plex, the price would drop. CoolHTFU

  • EVE-Mogul Investments in EVE Gameplay Center

    I would be interested :)

  • Manchester terror attacks in EVE Communication Center

    This should probably be in "Out of Pod Experience". There's already a thread in there :)

  • Breaking News: Citadel/Plex Contracting. in EVE Communication Center

    This is neither breaking, nor news.

  • James315 is a Narcissistic Sociopathic Bully in EVE Gameplay Center

    Valona Siura wrote:
    Dom Arkaral wrote:
    inb4lock


    *snip*

    And please remember in 11 years of playing Eve I've never bullied anybody



    Don't know if I believe that. Sounds like you're bullying James315. ;)

  • The Ultimate Guide to Defeating CODE in EVE Gameplay Center

    Clockwork Robot wrote:
    You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.


    Foil

  • So you're stuck in a lift... in EVE Gameplay Center

    Who's the fattest one? We might need food.

  • Is there a use for faction/NPC corp standings anymore? in EVE Communication Center

    Kim Joo Won wrote:
    Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
    Kim Joo Won wrote:

    I can shoot the RED guys in high sec? Or, the Red guys that are flashing??? Or, is it the RED guys that are flashing and have skulls??? Can I shoot the Yellow guys? or the Orange guys? Do they have to be flashing??? or do they have to have skulls and flashing??? which one is his faction standing??? why do I have to know his faction standing??? Just tell me which one I can shoot!


    I dont think faction standung affects whether you can shoot somebody in hi-sec.

    But ... that was my point.
    Thanks to the "Standings" system, as implemented, we get a ton of information that we have absolutely no use for and it only serves to confuse players. What do I need to know any players Standings for? security or faction???



    You know you can change your overview settings.....right?

  • Halaima MinerBumping IPO - One TRILLION 177 Billion in shares sold in EVE Gameplay Center

    Valona Siura wrote:
    I found this :-

    "besides the 12 year old PVE content it's also the player base that is the problem.. (yes i'm looking at all the bullshit wannabe elitists in the game when i say this) why people feel the need to **** talk and belittle every single mission runner or miner or builder just because they enjoy doing something you don't has a negative effect on the game, especially with new players. i don't care if people gank them, that's just part of the game there's risk with everything you do but when it becomes a verbal problem and you're driving people away from the game because they refuse to play it the way some one else thinks it should be played is dumb. in the many corps i've been in over the last 10 years this is probably the number one issue i've seen come up way to often. the attitude i see toward that side of the player base i feel has a much larger effect on retaining players than anything else."

    There you have it. That's what James315 has done to the game.


    Well, there you have it. Case closed! Class dismissed. The fat lady has sung. Finish him! I'm cumming. Enough said. Rook to G8; Checkmate!

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    March rabbit wrote:
    I like the way of thought of some people here. Lol

    "If for some reason i want 0.9 of beer can i can do it for just for less money than before! And even if the whole can is more expensive now it means beer is cheaper!". Cool


    Technically, it'd be more like this:

    If for some reason I wanted 90% of an old can of beer, I can now get that amount for less money than before! While the can has gotten smaller, it's the same price per mL as the old can, so I'm not throwing away any money by buying all the extra beer that I had to in the past!

    *toast* To beer!

  • Historic Prices on Plex. in EVE Gameplay Center

    Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
    Alexi Stokov wrote:
    Caleb Ayrania wrote:
    Its not just a split effect. The nuPLEX is a totally new product type, it has "more functions", so its more akin to a combined split and a hype cycle. (google gartner and hype cycle)..

    Most new products behave like this, so the question is when will it peak and how deep will it tank. Personally I dont think we will see the correction until after the summer, since we have so much propping up the hype, and the added effect of AT tournament bidding, and potentially ghost training bug..

    When the market cools off, I still suspect we will land under pre nuplex values, with zombie farming "dying", only unknown really seems to be how popular and used the vanity products from NEX store really is.




    Only other thing to this that I could think of is if CCP decides to drop a super PLEX sale.



    I think we will see a new dynamic in PLEX sales.

    Instead of 'pay 10% less IRL cash for your PLEX', I think we will see 'pay normal prices, get more PLEX than usual' as the default sale.

    That conceivably allows higher % discounts.



    Yeah that's a how a lot of games do it. Get double the bonus plex or some **** like that. :)

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
    Nevyn Auscent wrote:
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:


    you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less

    But Plex don't cost more.
    If you look for a specific value of plex at which the packages no longer suit sure you can find a situation where you have to spend more. But on the whole the plex price is equivalent to the old price.
    The structure of where the 'bonus' plex are is different because Bonus are now measured from the 'more expensive' $5 option. Not the $20 500 plex option. But that is a marketing spin visual, not an actual difference.

    What's the answer to the question Lugh asked in the OP:

    I havent bought plex in a while but i seem to remember the $100 pack being 6 plex its now just over 5 months of plex? is this what happened or did the $100 always give 5


    I already told him. They did not have a '$100 for 6 plex' pack. It was a $105 pack for 6 plex. He was mis-remembering the price. That pack no longer exists.

    I also told him what he was really upset about was not the price of the plex (as it had stayed the same on a per unit basis at around the same price point), but the fact that they had eliminated the $105 pack, but cray wanna be cray.

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Mr Epeen wrote:
    Obsidian Blacke wrote:

    In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason.
    There's a sub-forum for fan fiction.

    Keep it out of GD.

    Mr Epeen Cool


    6 inches plex is just too big ;)

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
    Obsidian Blacke wrote:
    Read the whole thread. And no, I'm not joking. If I want exactly 1,100 NuPlex, I only pay 99.99. In the old system, I would have to buy 6 Plex and pay $105.00. I would be forced to spend an extra $5.00 in the old system.

    The only things that matter is ppu.


    Basically, this guy isn't really whining that PLEX is more expensive. What he's whining about is that CCP replaced some of their odd-numbered deals (e.g. $105, $210, $490) with more normal numbers (e.g. $100, $250, $500).

    1100 NuPlex is $99?

    That would mean 2.2 old PLEX is $99?

    I think not.

    $99 gets you 2860 NuPlex. This is short of the equivalent 3000 for 6 PLEX you would have purchased before.

    To buy 3000 NuPlex +

    1. x $99 @ 2860
    1 x $4.99 @ 110

    Is still short of 6 PLEX in the old system, so you have to purchase an additional $4.99 pack to get the equivalent of the previous 6 PLEX, giving you 80 NuPlex left over.

    That's a total cost now, to get the equivalent of the former 6 PLEX, of 99 + 4.99 + 4.99 = $108.98

    That is more expensive than it was before, though you are also provided a slightly more amount of 80 NuPlex than buying 6 PLEX under the old system (ie. $108.98 gives you 6.16 old PLEX).



    No it's cheaper than it was before.

    In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason. But in order to get that 5.7ish Plex, I had to pay $105.00.

    Now in the new system, I only have to pay 99.99 to get that 5.7 ish Plex and I get the exact same ppu as in the old $105.00 package.

    In short, I'm getting the same great deal, and I'm saving money by only having to buy exactly what I want. :)

    Go to school....math school.

    Edit: The new system makes it cheaper to buy 110 Plex too, since I can buy 110 Plex for $5, where previously I had to spend $20.00 and buy Plex I didn't need. :p

    Edit 2: Your scenario makes no sense btw because of the assumptions you have to make. :p

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
    Obsidian Blacke wrote:
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex


    And it costs less now to get ~5.7 old plex in today's system than the old system....

    If you don't understand why you're not making sense by now, I can't really help you. What?

    You're joking right?

    It doesn't matter if it costs less to buy less. That doesn't make it cheaper.

    It costs more to buy the same amount than it used to in many cases. That is, it is more expensive.


    Read the whole thread. And no, I'm not joking. If I want exactly 2,860 NuPlex, I only pay 99.99. In the old system, I would have to buy 6 Plex and pay $105.00. I would be forced to spend an extra $5.00 in the old system.

    The only things that matter is ppu.


    Basically, this guy isn't really whining that PLEX is more expensive. What he's whining about is that CCP replaced some of their odd-numbered deals (e.g. $105, $210, $490) with more normal-numbered deals (e.g. $100, $250, $500). The ppu however, remains the same (or is better).

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex


    And it costs less now to get ~5.7 old plex in today's system than the old system....

    If you don't understand why you're not making sense by now, I can't really help you. What?

  • PLEX after change: in EVE Communication Center

    Sky Marshal wrote:
    Well, Plex are now sold by CCP by packs of 110/240/440 (with 0/20/60 more offered for the moment). A player who want to add 30 days in his account needs 500 of them. 440, it is less than before (1 Plex = 30 days) but for the same price.

    So CCP stealthy raised the price, and the market is correcting itself. There isn't any "player driven market" in this situation, CCP is the responsible of that.

    It was obvious it would be going up if the real price is going up too. Couldn't do anything else. It is a dangerous move for CCP, I doubt that an higher price in ISK won't "cost" some players.


    It's not "for the moment". Those are permanent. People are stupid. They don't math "good". So the "bonus" is CCPs way of telling people how much extra they get by buying in bulk.

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    Obsidian Blacke wrote:
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor


    No. The only one that is more expensive is the 1000 NuPlex. Most of the others are cheaper.

    Edit: For your convenience, I will note that your confusion stems from the fact that the NuPlex package is $100 while the old 6 plex package was $105.



    your looking at it like the fool they take you for


    in order to get 3k plex (old 6) you now have to buy the 99 and two of the 4.99 so that is 109.97



    And in order to get 110 Plex in the old system, you had to buy 500 plex and spend $15 extra dollars...

    Seriously though, why do you need exactly 6 plex? You're not using them to plex your account, or else you'd buy a subscription for less. So the fact that you're getting slightly less than 6 is irrelevant when the ~5.7 you're getting are the exact same price per unit that you got in the old system. In fact, you can argue that it's even better, since you don't have to spend as much money to get as good of a per unit price.

    Further the $250 NuPlex package saves you $0.60 per plex and the $500 NuPlex package saves you $1.30 per Plex.

    The only NuPlex ppu where you pay more than the old option is the 1000 NuPlex variant. Everyone is the same, or benefits.

    I took ya to school.....math school.

  • did plex get more expensive? in EVE Communication Center

    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor


    No. The only one that is more expensive is the 1000 NuPlex. Most of the others are cheaper.

    Edit: For your convenience, I will note that your confusion stems from the fact that the NuPlex package is $100 while the old 6 plex package was $105.