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Vile rat

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Last 20 Posts

  • Elise Randolph for CSM8 in Council of Stellar Management

    iskflakes wrote:
    I would just like to say that supers need a huge buff... let's hope Elise can deliver.



    What this guy said, except I don't actually mean it.

  • The voting reform discussion in Council of Stellar Management

    You're a good man CCP Xhagen.

  • Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform in Council of Stellar Management

    Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


    I asked why they felt it targeted the CFC in particular and not "whichever group in the game has the most organized power". In other words, if your worst nightmare came true and Kelduum metagamed EVE University into the largest, most organized player entity in the game, how would Trebor's proposal treat EVE Uni any different than the CFC?



    Come on son.

  • Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform in Council of Stellar Management

    Remnant Madeveda wrote:
    what is the next serious goal for the CSM?



    We need to have a serious discussion about the in game font.

  • Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform in Council of Stellar Management

    Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


    And the more important question is - what is the significance of obtaining more than one seat on the council, per large entity, in the first place? This would have to assume that the CSM uses a voting system internally to determine policy, or that CCP somehow gives an idea more weight if 2-3 CSM members agree as supposed to only one. My experience has shown so far though that even a single CSM seat can make more of a difference than three others in terms of influence, as long as that seat is filled by someone competent, articulate, and who makes good suggestions.



    This is going to be really crazy so I need you to sit down for a minute. Are you seated? I'm glad, this is going to blow your god damn mind.

    It turns out that candidates aren't all equal! I know right? I learned something really crazy when I ran that I hope to share with you. Candidates, even those from the same alliance, can have different playing styles, points of focus, interests, and things they feel need to be fixed in Eve. People don't vote for an alliance, they vote for a person. A person who they feel will best represent those interests that matter most to them. I hope this has been helpful to you and I thank you for your time kind sir. God bless!

  • New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p in EVE Information Center

    Looks like we might have to scale back our Machariel reimbursements slightly!

  • THESE COMMENTATORS ARE TERRIBLE in EVE Communication Center

    I was entertained watching somebody else play video games.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Next time somebody does something like this they would be stupid to let ccp know in any manner. That's my takeaway from this :)

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
    CCP Sreegs wrote:
    Ituhata Saken wrote:
    Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


    At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



    By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


    When you find the game broken in a way that allows you to exploit it for unintended personal gain, CCP probably won't see things the way you do.

    Read the post above. It might be me, but I dont see anything along the lines of "we are so glad certain individuals pointed this out for us and we'll see they keep their just rewards"

    You tried to screw CCP and a good it of their customers. I'm not sure they are going to be as grateful as some ppl are hoping. In fact, if and when CCP reverses the damage done all Goonswarm would have done is destroy massive amounts of THEIR OWN assets for... no reason.


    One could even say some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made? I can't be sure, it's not like a CCP Dev came out and said that for me.

    Yeah, wow, gg. You blew all your own stuff up when you could have just filed a bug report.


    It wasn't a bug. It was intentionally coded market mechanics that are ******* stupid, they were told it was stupid when it first launched, then they felt comfortable with it entering the game anyways.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Gun Gal wrote:
    Karadion Kohlar wrote:
    Gun Gal wrote:

    I remember when a whole guild was banned in UO for abusing game mechanics. SHOULD happen here as well.
    .

    See, that's the problem here. You played Ultima Online. Now we're talking 5 people and you are trying to encourage CCP to ban 4000+ accounts because of those 5? That's 60K smacks per month they'd lose. Good thing they don't listen to morons like you.


    Uo was arguably the best sandbox game ever until it was broken up into pieces. If you never experienced it, too bad for you.


    So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for **** Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride?

    and so what? Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions. There is a difference between being competitive and what the goons are doing.
    Short term pain long game.


    No you misunderstand. Only 5 or so people in the game even knew about this while they were working up their proof of concept. This wasn't sponsored by goonswarm, it was just accomplished by a few guys doing their own thing in goonswarm.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    There are no such things as death squads who hunt our political enemies. Why, that's just silly.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Graic Gabtar wrote:
    Vile rat wrote:
    As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.

    Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.
    In the spirit of providing facts is GS preparing any type of response if CCP having their backsides handed to them whimper their way over to their EULA and wield ban hammers or similar?


    This is a video game. The people who run the video game are well within their rights to run their video game however they please. If they end up overreacting and become vindictive as a result of us informing them about the laughably broken game they provided for us, well I just don't know what our motivation would be in the future to tell them when we find things.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Kinis Deren wrote:
    Vile rat wrote:
    Kinis Deren wrote:
    Richard Desturned wrote:
    Kinis Deren wrote:
    I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO.

    Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat P

    How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? Twisted


    This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.


    So noted and I stand corrected.

    Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?


    Distancing ourselves? Is this some silly legalese garbage where somebody can't point to something that happened and say "holy **** that was awesome" ?


    No, not at all and you know it LOL - awesome or exploit that's for others to decide. I was merely intrigued by Richard's response in which he clearly felt it was important to state where the ownership for the event lay. Interesting that you avoided addressing the question yourself VR Blink


    Look up.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Sweetss wrote:

    because......its not a big deal mate


    Yet like the gravitational pull of a Dice FC you're drawn to this thread.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Lexmana wrote:
    I am baffled by the fact CCP didn't see this coming and coded a safety break in the system. It was such an obvious exploit and was called out several times by players long before release :facepalm:.

    Congrats to goons for pulling this off on such a massive scale. I guess the level of damage done to the system and the estimated time for the economy to recover will guide CCP on how to proceed. I wouldn't be surprised if they called Force Majeure and reverted all/most LP earned to protect the integrity of the game. To bad FW looks more broken than ever.


    Well a lot of non goons profited from this as well, including noted badposter Jade Constantine.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Skippermonkey wrote:
    Vile rat wrote:
    If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

    We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

    Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

    Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.

    You mention about how they wanted to avoid 'screwing the economy', well, they might have very well done that anyway.


    As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.


    Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Sweetss wrote:
    Whats funny is that Goons try to verbally beat down everyone else, creating their own cute little term for them (pubbies), yet in actual fact they are pubbies who roleplay being moronic idiots. They post a thread about ruining everyones life and then all respond to each other congratualting themselves and calling each other sociopaths etc. (aka that lame Vile Rat ponce's response at the start).

    Outside of EvE they are no doubt about as sociopathic as my pet hamster Terrence. Mittani being the biggest role-playing pubbie there is. He absolutely LIVES his little sociopathic image. Quite the "sad little nobody" ego.


    No you don't understand, Aryth is really a sociopath. Not even because of this either.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    Kinis Deren wrote:
    Richard Desturned wrote:
    Kinis Deren wrote:
    I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO.

    Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat P

    How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? Twisted


    This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.


    So noted and I stand corrected.

    Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?


    Distancing ourselves? Is this some silly legalese garbage where somebody can't point to something that happened and say "holy **** that was awesome" ?

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

  • Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale in EVE Communication Center

    You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.