# 1/3 of players actually PVP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 29, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482 "2020-12-29T17:40:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/21 "2020-12-29T18:40:58Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > I’m just saying it would make sense to focus on where the activity is. This is one metric, and it is highly suspect. Probably not the best idea to draw conclusions about what the player base engages in or values based upon it alone. If you want elaboration on why I think these numbers are flawed, see my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/22 "2020-12-29T18:45:13Z")
I’m hauling, producing, trading, sometimes even mining, and do PvP … as most of the active players, doing multiple things. As said you can’t derive anything from what people do. But I see you are not interested in an answer, but company in your filter bubble. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/23 "2020-12-29T18:47:57Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > I’m hauling, producing, trading, sometimes even mining, I’d say why not focus on improving the other things you do rather then only the PVP aspect. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/24 "2020-12-29T18:48:59Z")
This belongs to General or Feature discussion. Let a mod move it there. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/25 "2020-12-29T18:50:33Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > > > most accounts in EvE are alts never undocking or just for side jobs like trading/hauling. Not to mix with players. > > And put some focus on improving this side of the game and watch them all light up with activity. They are already active and thriving. Did you see stats for any of the content you _don’t_ participate in? No, because CCP limited us to 1 character of stats per account, and only 5 metrics, so nobody gets a comprehensive view of the _player_ impact in any given area. As others have said: you cannot draw any statistically valid conclusions from a ‘My Year in EVE’ video - they are marketing tools, not hard performance data. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/26 "2020-12-29T18:56:31Z")
And according to Reddit, the numbers seem to be mostly BS … ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/28 "2020-12-29T19:00:15Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > I’m in the top 1/3rd with my 33 ship kills why is this game focusing in so heavily in PVP? If having 33 kills puts you in the top third of all PvPers, then clearly the game isn’t focusing at all on PvP. You need a bit more data to put that number in perspective. Are you in the top 32% of all players? Of all players who have at least one ship kill? All players who engaged in combat? Or all players who have a “Year in EVE” video this year? I haven’t really looked into the stats being shown in these videos, so not sure which pools they’re counting when they generate them. That would be the place to start getting some perspective on it though. (Edit: Judging from the way they say they set up the stats for the video, your report means 33 kills put you in the top 32% of players who actually scored at least one kill in 2020 and also qualified for a Year in EVE video - Omega time etc. So it’s not related to the number of players, only the number of 2020 videos with a kill this year. [Your Year in EVE Video Data | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q3cdqi/your-year-in-eve-video-data)) ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/29 "2020-12-29T19:02:49Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > frigate escape bay, needljack filliments, forsaken fortresses, surgical strike, quantum cores, vat out of hell, howling interdictors, and even the triglavian invasion was a PVP driver. > > Pretty sure it a fact they focus on PVP in this game. These were the focus of the year. Seems to me the stagnate new player rate of the game might be the reason. They are looking in the wrong direction here. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/30 "2020-12-29T19:02:58Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > according to Reddit, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Whew… I needed that. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/31 "2020-12-29T19:06:48Z")
The ratio of players who “do” PvP is much smaller after you account for all of the PvP participants who are solely innocent victims. CCP really needs to just remove PvP from the game already. It’s obvious that it’s not what gamers want, and Corona is doing a good job of getting rid of all the boomers and old Gen-Xers who are the biggest PvP griefers in the game, so they won’t even have a demographic for that aspect of the game very soon. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/32 "2020-12-29T19:10:55Z")
Oh wow, too soon. Too soon for that joke. PvP is a part of the game, don’t remove it. but people use 2/3rd of their accounts to do everything else. I’d say focus on everything else for a year. The PI improvement went down with so much fan fair it was a little ridiculous. That should signal them there might be something to this. The little asteroid destruction was all these people got later. There are plenty of missions and arks that are just ignored and broken. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/33 "2020-12-29T19:34:25Z")
not sure if is the same but your rank is 300k /400k ![Captura de Tela 2020-12-29 às 16.32.23](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/b/fbcdeca0b68b0e693d1b8e286eeb84dcacadfcf7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/34 "2020-12-29T19:39:59Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > frigate escape bay, needljack filliments Both are great for PvE btw ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/35 "2020-12-29T19:44:21Z")
It’s character, not players. So if you have 3 pvp characters on one account, the video will only show number of kills for the character you select, not all the characters on that account. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/36 "2020-12-29T19:45:19Z")
I know there escape bay had the unintended outcome of you swapping between your savager or scanning frigate, and yea more and more people are using it that way. And no way is needljack going to a random place in null … hmmm. I guess they both did. We’re talking about 2 unexpected non focused updates. They should pivot the focus here instead of destruction to construction. It means more things to blow up. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/37 "2020-12-29T19:45:51Z")
Emergent content best content tho I bet they didnt intend the Orca to be an RV thats basically a mobile station either but its a far more fun use of it. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/38 "2020-12-29T19:46:20Z")
You see the green arrows? I’m gaining lots of ground. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/39 "2020-12-29T20:49:28Z")
me confused 🤔 seems legit ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/40 "2020-12-29T20:55:03Z")
It seems the simplicity of your point has stumped the trolls… Impressed. Have a ⭐ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482/41 "2020-12-29T21:09:00Z")
thats why eve have 15+ years and is unique ![ashleyrodgers01_courtesy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/946767cd30f99ffa40916442a34155620dacefe0.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-3-of-players-actually-pvp/287482.md?page=3)