# \-1 All This Scarcity Has Made Me Scarce **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2021, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420 "2021-06-23T10:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/162 "2021-07-05T20:13:44Z")
Your analogy doesn’t really stack up, Eve is a video game, you pay money in exchange for fun. We’re all different, but for me, if that fun is removed I simply stop paying and find another game, recently that has been Albion Online. You obviously can’t just find another real life if your current life sucks! I would also add that mining communities were supported when their careers disappeared where I come from, government financial support and total coverage of all university tuition fees so they could retrain. I don’t see CCP allowing free respecs! ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/163 "2021-07-05T20:24:44Z")
Just join Faction Warfare, it is not affected by scarcity at all… all you need is a T1 frigate or destroyer to start and make good ISK via LP. The training need for this activity is slim and if you join the right, the Minmatar side you can also have a lot of fun too. ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/164 "2021-07-05T20:28:35Z")
> [@SyxAxis](#): > > I feel you when you say you’ve had enough but there’s a lot ex-coal miners who had to learn new skills and get new jobs after mines shut Yeah and a lot of those miners took to the streets and fought the police, so much so that the then PM wanted to bring in the army to take over the pit estates in the North and stem the violence, that PM was told it would bring the country very very close to a civil war and the idea was scrapped. At the same time the unions all came out on strike in solidarity including the teachers had many days off school, even the pupils came out on strike at my school finger up at the gov and we all walked out. was a fifth former at the time. Sometimes change comes at a severe cost, I’m not so certain CCP can weather their changes, I suppose it depends on the players solidarity doesn’t it, because at this point in time a lot of players seem to be on strike. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/165 "2021-07-05T21:06:14Z")
Hmm, so I hopped on my indy alt ingame, after months on a “break”, I left just prior the industrial nerfs. He was based in Dammalin, a well known Hi sec industrial spot; at doorstep with FW lowsec. I have to say, coming back to a nearly empty local and empty alliance channel, at peak time, in Hisec, in a system that used to be booming with activity, did not feel right … at all … Something is really going wrong somewhere. No one will ever tell me that all these people weren’t needed and had to be ridden of for the good health of the game. I’ll be damned if this isn’t clearly deliberate game suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/166 "2021-07-05T21:22:44Z")
> [@Garlok\_Minolto](#): > > EVE as an industrialist has become a second job, where I used to enjoy this, now it is work. It was **always** work, you just didn’t **think** of it that way until _now_. None of your actions or activities have changed in any dramatic manner. A few extra components here, a mineral recalculation there, but your activities are generally the same as they’ve always been. You’re only re-framing EVE as work _now_ because you need to rationalize away **in a way that makes you feel good** the fact that your in-game income might have decreased by some degree while you failed to adapt to the changes. > [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > Eve is a video game, you pay money in exchange for fun. And what you find fun in a video game is the equivalent of working a second job? ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/167 "2021-07-05T21:26:56Z")
I think what he meant is that it takes much longer to get to the fun parts now than it used to. And some people, actually, most people … don’t have a +1 or +2 hours extra a day to give, just to get to the fun parts, just because CCP ■■■■■■ up more than a few times in their history and are _trying_ to make up for it now with this thing. Do people have the patience to put up with a decade of mistakes ? Nope. Should they have to pay for it with more of their personal time invested ? Triple that Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/168 "2021-07-05T21:52:23Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > I think what he meant is that it takes much longer to get to the fun parts now than it used to. Care to provide some examples? ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/169 "2021-07-05T21:58:57Z")
If you dabble into industry, you would know. Everyone else knows, that’s why everyone else leaves. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/170 "2021-07-05T21:59:38Z")
Is that your roundabout way of telling me that you can’t? ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/171 "2021-07-05T22:00:20Z")
No it’s my direct way of telling you, you wouldn’t be asking this question in the first place, unless you’re trolling again. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/172 "2021-07-05T22:02:12Z")
I’m asking you because I genuinely don’t know, and would like some examples of what you’re talking about. Refusing to accommodate the request is either argument in bad faith, or an inability to satisfy it. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/173 "2021-07-05T22:05:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m asking you because I genuinely don’t know, and would like some examples of what you’re talking about. You pretty much just answered your own question in your own post above, you seem to know enough about industry to open your ■■■■■■■ mouth right ? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > None of your actions or activities have changed in any dramatic manner. **A few extra components here, a mineral recalculation there,** but your activities are generally the same as they’ve always been. You’re only re-framing EVE as work _now_ because you need to rationalize away **in a way that makes you feel good** the fact that your in-game income might have decreased by some degree while you failed to adapt to the changes. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Refusing to accommodate the request is either argument in bad faith, or an inability to satisfy it. No it’s because you don’t know wtf you’re on about either way. Why would I waste my time ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/174 "2021-07-05T22:07:28Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > You pretty much just answered your own question in your own post above, you seem to know enough about industry to open your ■■■■■■■ mouth right ? > > No it’s because you don’t know wtf you’re on about either way. Your call. I’m also completely satisfied by outside observers reading this exchange and immediately understanding what just happened here. Hint: I’m not the one who’s going to end up looking bad. And I do remember how you placed a lot of emphasis on behaving in a way that would result in “being taken seriously” in your prior posts, so… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/175 "2021-07-05T22:08:08Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Hint: I’m not the one who’s going to end up looking bad. Whatever makes you sleep at night… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/176 "2021-07-05T22:11:22Z")
It feels that it has won a forum war because you chose quite rightly not to explain the obvious. Best not to waste your time with that one. I was shown the new stuff needed for a Battleship on Discord a week ago, I was like WTF, that is insane. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/177 "2021-07-05T22:17:14Z")
It would just be an attempt at distorting the reality of it and make it look not as bad. Just another stupid troll really. Yea, those requirements, they are insane. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/178 "2021-07-05T22:23:52Z")
Yeah, I really don’t understand why you people won’t just _quit_ the game. If it feels like someone’s cutting into your side with an ammonia-covered steak knife every time you interact with or discuss the game, why continue punishing yourself like this? You’ll feel better and be healthier if you simply _stop_. There’s tens of thousands of games out there, and surely you can find a few that cater to your needs better than EVE Online can? Go and play something you’ll actually enjoy, and leave EVE to those who like to challenge themselves. It really _is_ that easy. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/179 "2021-07-05T22:31:26Z")
Do I hear crickets ? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/c/e/4ce05037482861c2230501472015ae457e330962.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/180 "2021-07-06T02:43:22Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > You say High Sec is meant to be a place of conflict and should cater to pew pew players who want to destroy, I hate to say this but that’s what Low Sec space is meant for, those who desire wanton destruction need to stop hiding behind Concord game mechanics and go out into Low Sec space to do their destruction. The whole game is an area for wanton destruction, hi-sec included. And failing to acknowledge that has put us where we are today. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > By the way, I also take offense to the term ‘carebear’ since you’re obviously trying to make that label strictly pertain to PvE players. Like someone who uses the term ‘griefer’ as a label for PvP player… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420/181 "2021-07-06T04:14:16Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The whole game is an area for wanton destruction, hi-sec included. And failing to acknowledge that has put us where we are today. Nope, if High Sec space was intended to be a ‘free for all’ destruction zone, there wouldn’t be any Concord NPC’s in it. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Like someone who uses the term ‘griefer’ as a label for PvP player… Nope, I only use the term ‘Griefer’ to label those who ‘Suicide Gank’ others in High Sec space. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/1-all-this-scarcity-has-made-me-scarce/317420.md?page=10)