# 12 laws of Engineering: CCP needs to recover these, I think **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 17, 2024, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889 "2024-02-17T11:33:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Davidius\_Pratticus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/davidius_pratticus/32/478437_2.png) [@Davidius\_Pratticus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Davidius_Pratticus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/1 "2024-02-17T11:33:06Z")
[The 12 Fundamental Laws Of Engineering You Must Know (guardianconstructors.com)](https://guardianconstructors.com/2017/05/the-12-fundamental-laws-of-engineering.html#:~:text=12%20Basic%20Laws%20Of%20Engineering%20First%20Law%3A%20The,fiddle%20with%20something%20long%20enough%2C%20it%20will%20break.) ---
**Author:** ![Siebmordan\_Hur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siebmordan_hur/32/411383_2.png) [@Siebmordan\_Hur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siebmordan_Hur)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/2 "2024-02-17T13:43:55Z")
First Law: The correct order is: debug, then ship. Second Law: If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it. Third Law: If you fiddle with something long enough, it will break. Fourth Law: It works better if you plug it in. Fifth Law: If it’s wedged, power-cycle it. Sixth Law: A working example is worth a thousand manual pages. Seventh Law: Failures occur where two parts join. Eighth Law: Demos cause failures. Ninth Law: Systems grow more complex with time. Tenth Law: If it’s too complex, rebuild it. Eleventh Law: Small parts vanish when dropped. Twelfth Law: Don’t build from components what you can buy pre-packaged for less. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/3 "2024-02-17T14:29:33Z")
Thanks for this. > [@Siebmordan\_Hur](#): > > Tenth Law: If it’s too complex, rebuild it. 💯 💯 💯 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/4 "2024-02-18T01:17:00Z")
Oh god. That means a total rebuild in a language other than stackless python… ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/5 "2024-02-18T13:25:05Z")
Maybe it’s time for that 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/6 "2024-02-18T13:51:09Z")
Its time to free the game. Upload the source code and relinquish intellectual monopoly rights. The community will take it from here. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/7 "2024-02-18T20:12:04Z")
Problem is getting anything else to run eve, even close to similarly, much less better. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/8 "2024-02-18T20:31:59Z")
idk, some Devs lamented at Python dragging EVE back at last FF 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/9 "2024-02-18T20:58:58Z")
Oh absolutely. but if we change languages, that’s a full codebase rebuild. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/10 "2024-02-18T21:13:10Z")
One more law: using the right tool is half the job. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/11 "2024-02-18T21:15:10Z")
Obviously can’t argue with that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/12 "2024-02-19T02:20:14Z")
This is one of your dumber ideas, and that says a lot. Are we expecting that a bunch of private servers will spin up supercomputers or whatever the hell EVE servers run on nowadays and fracture the ecosystem? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/13 "2024-02-19T09:15:58Z")
First law should be: Keep ignorants away from your creation. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/14 "2024-02-19T12:12:18Z")
Speaking of laws of engineering…in what sensible application of Newton’s laws would a ship still be firing its thrusters while decelerating ? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/15 "2024-02-19T12:25:49Z")
The ships have to fire their thrusters in order to decelerate. An object in motion will remain in motion, so obviously they need the thrusters to stop the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/16 "2024-02-19T12:48:29Z")
Then they should turn round and fire the thrusters in the direction of motion. Otherwise its like trying to brake a car by applying the brakes while foot is still on the accelerator. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/17 "2024-02-19T21:09:04Z")
They do that. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/18 "2024-02-20T09:52:58Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > in what sensible application of Newton’s laws would a ship still be firing its thrusters while decelerating ? In water. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/19 "2024-02-20T10:26:24Z")
This is a pun at the game design and I think it is uncalled for. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889/20 "2024-02-20T21:03:39Z")
The ecosystem fracturing is not a bad thing for the players. You can take a look at the Wow private server market for example. Theres is so much content there and each server is going in a slightly different direction. So you get to play how you want, with the community you want and if you feel its going the wrong way you dont have to quit the game you can just join another server. And for the record one of the WoW private servers can reach like 20k players online without major issues. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/12-laws-of-engineering-ccp-needs-to-recover-these-i-think/439889.md?page=2)