# 2025/6/27 -- releasing mining ships with upgraded capabilites **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [June 27, 2025, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444 "2025-06-27T08:40:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/21 "2025-07-16T05:22:02Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > it would **reduce** the incentive to become Omega for miners if they could mine nearly as well as Omega without paying. Thats why so many of the unskilled indy players run 20+ accounts right? The game is so easy they need 20 accounts. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > All that “more better Alpha mining ships” does is reduce incentive for players to subscribe. Then they can plex and keep growing the account they have. CCP gets money from subscriptions and plex sales. it really doesn’t matter if they get omega from cash or plex becuase the devs still get paid and the player still gets omega. You still haven’t provided any evidence that a more advanced alpha mining ship would hurt the economy any more or less then multy boxing, the venture or the shortage. Also some of the players might branch out and develop skills for other things then just mining. I have a heavy indy background but im dipping my toes into FW more and more. Others might do the same thing. Just like the “PvPers” that rag on miners also have 20 mining alts. you never know what could happen. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/22 "2025-07-16T06:06:22Z")
> [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > Then they can plex and keep growing the account they have. CCP gets money from subscriptions and plex sales. it really doesn’t matter if they get omega from cash or plex becuase the devs still get paid and the player still gets omega. If every alpha player earns ISK faster, wouldn’t the price of Omega just go up too together with the increased income? Besides, Alpha players don’t need to ‘easily earn Omega’. It’s OK if Omega accounts can easily earn Omega because an Alpha player who pays for Omega each month is not an Alpha player but an Omega player. Only to earn the first month of Omega will that player be Alpha, but there’s nothing wrong if that takes a bit longer than a month. ---
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/23 "2025-07-16T06:43:39Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > but there’s nothing wrong if that takes a bit longer than a month. You are right. A little elbow grease doesn’t hurt and a little extra time gives them time to learn about the game. But right now it feels like a 2nd job. The economy will always change the prices will always go up and up and up. Alpha players need to be able to have the option to plex without working a 40h week just grinding. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/24 "2025-07-16T08:27:26Z")
Why do you keep assuming that a new Alpha player has to be able to grind Omega **in a single month**? It takes many months before you even get to the 5M SP limit as new player. Even as veteran Omega player there are months I don’t earn enough ISK to buy a single month of Omega and you know what? That’s totally fine! ---
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/25 "2025-07-16T09:11:03Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Why do you keep assuming that a new Alpha player has to be able to grind Omega **in a single month**? For the same reason you and some others think alphas don’t/can’t/won’t get plex. Giggles. Also I never said the alphas need to do it in a month all I said is it should be easier for alphas. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > A new mining ship for alpha accounts would be helpful. As the price of Plex goes up the venture doesn’t cut it anymore. Alpha accounts need something better. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > after a while earning pennies gets really old. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > A little elbow grease doesn’t hurt and a little extra time gives them time to learn about the game. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > right now it feels like a 2nd job. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > Alpha players need to be able to have the option to plex without working a 40h week just grinding. Want to point out where I said they have a time limit? Or do you want to keep trying to put words in my mouth? All I want is for a stepping stone ship to help folks. Also the excuse that a venture mark 2 will flood the market is nonsense. You forget that people would be building the mark 2 and that would eat minerals also a lot of alphas run T1 stuff and that is also built from minerals. It would balance. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/26 "2025-07-16T09:22:33Z")
> [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > Want to point out where I said they have a time limit? Or do you want to keep trying to put words in my mouth? You mentioned a time limit here, bolded: > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > Alpha players need to be able to have the option to plex **without working a 40h week just grinding.** In that quote you imply that Alphas need to grind under time pressure, because if they were not under time pressure Alphas could earn Omega even by playing one hour a week, eventually. There is no hurry, no time pressure and no reason to grind 40 hours a week for Omega unless you want to, or define some arbitrary time limits. Next, Venture ‘mark 2’ exists and are some of the Omega ships I often use while mining: Prospect and Endurance. But the main benefit of both of those ships is their cloak, which isn’t accessible for Alphas anyway. Even the Venture is a good mining ship if you look at cost-efficient yield and survivability, which are important factors for newbie miners. Why do people always demand ‘more’, ‘bigger’ ‘better’ and in this case all of that _for free_? ---
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/27 "2025-07-16T10:02:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > In that quote you imply that Alphas need to grind under time pressure, because if they were not under time pressure Alphas could earn Omega even by playing one hour a week, eventually. You are trying way to hard to twist my words. At this point its just sad. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Next, Venture ‘mark 2’ exists and are some of the Omega ships I often use while mining: Prospect and Endurance. I’m sure everybody knows that. I was in reference to a stepping stone ship for alphas. I apologize if that went over your head. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Why do people always demand ‘more’, ‘bigger’ ‘better’ and in this case all of that _for free_? Nobody said they should get the ship for free. I assume they will buy it or produce it themselves. If you want to acquire them and give them out for free thats between you and the alpha. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Why do people always demand ‘more’, ‘bigger’ ‘better’ … > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > after a while earning pennies gets really old. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > A new mining ship for alpha accounts would be helpful. As the price of Plex goes up the venture doesn’t cut it anymore. Alpha accounts need something better. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/28 "2025-07-16T11:30:03Z")
> [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > Nobody said they should get the ship for free. You want a better mining ship than the Venture but without having to pay for Omega. Yes, you’re asking for another ship that is available as Alpha, i.e. for free. > [@REEDER\_GHOST](#): > > after a while earning pennies gets really old. That is intentional. By the time mining with a Venture ‘gets really old’ the player should realise they can unlock a lot more ships by paying for Omega. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/29 "2025-07-16T11:56:48Z")
> [@Ruri](#): > > its about $22.5 in my local currency Thats the price for stupid persons, right. Like a dummy-tax. For the last years I paid on average between 8 and 10 € per month for my omega sub. You _do know_ that you can buy PLEX in large bulk packets, especially when it is on sale multiple times a year? Even get a further discount with some streamer-codes? And then convert it into Omega time when there is an Omega-Offer so you only need 350 or 375 PLEX per month? If you haven’t figured that out yet, the sub-price is the smallest of all your problems. ---
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/30 "2025-07-16T15:32:59Z")
You came up with a very weak argument that a new alpha ship would wreck the market. I debunked that easily and now your only argument is “Because” or “spend money” So let me try another angle although we both know i’m wasting my time because the real reason you are against it is just simply that miners like to gate keep. Now lets say I want the stepping stone ship for omega players as something between the venture and barge. Come up with something better than “because” and “rl money” please. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/31 "2025-07-16T15:39:22Z")
There is so much wrong with all the things you assumed in that post that I won’t even bother replying to it beyond this. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![REEDER\_GHOST](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reeder_ghost/32/467308_2.png) [@REEDER\_GHOST](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REEDER_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/32 "2025-07-16T16:42:13Z")
thought so. GL in the future with that “Because” Argument. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/33 "2025-07-17T09:02:55Z")
As i said already: this guy (REEDER GHOST) us _very confused_. 🤨 I’m not sure he will be able to understand anyone other’s posts at all… ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/34 "2025-07-17T09:32:05Z")
Alpha’s **still** get to fly too many ships and use way too many modules. Maybe they could be given more, but be limited to the space within 2 systems of their starter system, 2 jumps max? Just like a lot of other games where you have to pay to experience the full depth and width of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/35 "2025-07-17T18:33:31Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Alpha’s **still** get to fly too many ships and use way too many modules. This. Alphas should be allowed only T1 ships and modules. No Navy-, Pirate- or T2 ships _ever_. No T2, Faction or Deadspace items. Maxium is a basic T1 ship with up to Meta-T1 equipment. Each and every skill for them is limited to Level III. Test: yes. Maximize: No. They can _participate_ in every basic content with that. But to really dive in deep, they have to sub. Easy decision, either I like the game enough that it’s worth the 10 bucks a month, or not. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/36 "2025-07-18T12:40:34Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > They can _participate_ in every basic content with that. Some anomalies you can find in low-sec are not doable even in pirate cruiser with t2 modules using Alpha skills/restrictions. And I mean “anomalies”, which you see without scanning and can warp to and attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/37 "2025-07-18T17:34:28Z")
So what? Nobody says Alphas should be able to do each and every content ot there, they will soon learn which anomalies they can run and which ones are too hard. They can always team up and do stuff together. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/38 "2025-07-18T18:36:21Z")
Not saying that You are wrong here. However, as you are advocating for more restrictions on Alphas you need to formalize “basic content” and reason about why Alphas should lose ability to run some of existing and already accessible content. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/39 "2025-07-18T20:42:56Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > “basic content” “Basic content” is stuff that can be done solo by a casual player in a T1 cruiser with T1 equipment. If you find _anything_ that can’t be done by a casual player in a T1 fitted caracal with skills III, it isn’t “basic content” any more. And if Alphas would want to do it, they should group up or team up with an Omega. Or pay a sub to get Omega and access to more powerful ships and weapons. And the reasons are simple: If they like the game and want to stay, they should sub. Alpha status should be _only_ for testing/trying the game or for periods of hiatus to have the ability to log in, managing some assets, staying in contact with the group and maybe re-sub at some point. It shouldn’t be an option to permanently “play free”. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444/40 "2025-07-18T20:53:33Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > “Basic content” is stuff that can be done solo by a casual player in a T1 cruiser with T1 equipment. 1. Why T1 modules? Are Metas/Faction/etc included? 2. Why cruiser? Not frigate? not destroyer, not battlecruiser? 3. Are implants/boosters included? 4. Do you think getting stomped and killed by more-SP/better Fit players gives Alpha player chance to test the game and decide if it is a good idea to pay for it? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/2025-6-27-releasing-mining-ships-with-upgraded-capabilites/491444.md?page=3)