# 22 Accounts. 1 Cheater? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980 "2018-09-12T22:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/183 "2018-09-14T11:54:32Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I still want to know how it’s done (so I be a better ganker). Any videos available? Probably none that show any character names, timestamps or system names. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/184 "2018-09-14T11:57:04Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That you are unable to work out that nuance and jump in with two feet is rather special of you! Nuance doesn’t matter. You start with false premise - I can ignore everything that follows. You talked about locking before firing… no locking needed - client does it for you. In fact if you preactivate and preheat guns before warp all you have left to do is clicking on broadcasted target… which will be at the top of overview (if you use sane overview). ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/185 "2018-09-14T11:58:28Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Nuance doesn’t matter. You start with false premise - I can ignore everything that follows. You talked about locking before firing… no locking needed - client does it for you. In fact if you preactivate and preheat guns before warp all you have left to do is clicking on broadcasted target… which will be at the top of overview (if you use sane overview). You are telling me something which I detailed earlier, about having the guns activated, I was answering to another player and if you had read the thread you would know that. As I said stop being a dim try hard… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/186 "2018-09-14T12:05:02Z")
> [@Mala\_Zvitorepka](#): > > Suppose this gank. Let’s assume gank was OK, he averaged say 7 ships/s, so it took 3s in total This gank involved 24 accounts, at least. Not 7. 1. We dont know how many of those where operated by @Australian_Excellence. CCP can investigate IPs and account history. 2. We dont know if @Australian_Excellence manually gave commands to those 24+ accounts, or used illegal automation at any point. ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/187 "2018-09-14T12:11:05Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > It matters in this case - as he, and others like him, make an assumption about how much clicking and window switching is actually needed. Who’s making assumptions? > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > You know how I know you never ganked? Cause if you did you would have known that if you preactivate guns and then click on target then it will automatically lock the target and shoot the guns. Also you can preheat mods. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/188 "2018-09-14T12:22:17Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > no locking needed Wrong. You cannot fire on a target without a lock, unless using drones/defensive missiles, which then requires the target to lock on and aggress you. None of the stats in this instance indicate drones, defensive missiles or auto targeter modules. Establishing that lock requires a command from the player (or bot). This is basic stuff, and explaining it to the ignorant/uninformed repeatedly is derailing besides the concern here: Did @Australian_Excellence manually input all commands to all accounts, or did he use automation to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Milana\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milana_pollard/32/93398_2.png) [@Milana\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milana_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/189 "2018-09-14T12:45:53Z")
They wrote a book about making accusations without evidence. It was called, “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/190 "2018-09-14T12:55:46Z")
Just would like to remember everyone that mining permits are obligatory for haulers as well but they are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/191 "2018-09-14T12:57:32Z")
I’m not even getting into the whole did he bot or not thing. All I’m going to say is CCP, as usual, does things halfassed and leaves loopholes a mile wide. You cannot ban parts of a program like ISBoxer, yet still allow its use for other things. Either you ban a program, or you don’t. It’s why botting will never ever be curbed, not even slightly. CCP makes rules and then makes it so you can’t enforce those rules with any certainty in the same stroke. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/192 "2018-09-14T12:59:13Z")
> [@Milana\_Pollard](#): > > They wrote a book about making accusations without evidence You misunderstood the lesson. It was that calling wolf too often, wrongly, means when the wolf does infact come, nobody believes it anymore. That reflects on people not taking a real wolf call seriously anymore, more than it does on the wolf caller having been wrong x times. The result then being that when it happens for real, all your sheep are dead, and you have only yourself to blame for not believing the alarm because you became complacent to it. When the wolf kills the sheep, its not because the shepard issued false alarms. Its because the towns-people no longer cared to act. Do you understand? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/193 "2018-09-14T13:10:52Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Just would like to remember everyone that mining permits are obligatory for haulers as well but they are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year. How are mining permits obligatory to haulers? They are hauling, not mining. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/194 "2018-09-14T13:17:38Z")
LOL, they just racket honest people for profit, so in other words they are the digital scum from EVE digital world, why do you expect any good sense from them? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/195 "2018-09-14T13:20:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > How are mining permits obligatory to haulers? > > They are hauling, not mining. Because that’s just how it is ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/196 "2018-09-14T13:21:08Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Because that’s just how it is You see? Just because… 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/197 "2018-09-14T13:23:22Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > How are mining permits obligatory to haulers? > > > > They are hauling, not mining. > > Because that’s just how it is Weak and no answer. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/198 "2018-09-14T13:24:30Z")
Sounds fair. Pretty much why anything is. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/199 "2018-09-14T13:28:18Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Weak and no answer. It’s a perfectly good answer. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/200 "2018-09-14T13:28:26Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Sounds fair. > > Pretty much why anything is. That shilling… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/201 "2018-09-14T13:29:57Z")
10 mil is a tad more than a shilling, old bean. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/202 "2018-09-14T13:31:58Z")
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