# 22 Accounts. 1 Cheater? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980 "2018-09-12T22:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/61 "2018-09-13T12:27:32Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > My dear boy, I think you meant to say sulking not sooking. > **[Sooky Definition & Meaning | YourDictionary](https://www.yourdictionary.com/sooky)** > > Sooky definition: (Australia, Newfoundland, New Zealand, slang) \Complaining\, \whingeing\, \sad\; \jealous\. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > There you go with the salt memes again, yawn… > > I have no idea if you are cheating or not, would not surprise me if you were, I merely hope that you are not. It’s not even a meme, you’re an actualy crybaby 😆 “I have no idea, but I fail nonstop daily so I’m going to accuse you nonstop” ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/3/837cd6c695eb92d2b617738399249e319267a5d6.jpeg) > [@Mala\_Zvitorepka](#): > > you would see damage split in 2 or 3 distinct groups given the ROF of the L neutron blaster Theres huge variability and they’re shooting into different resists, its really not hard to understand ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/62 "2018-09-13T12:32:24Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It’s not even a meme, you’re an actualy crybaby 😆 sticks and stones my dear boy…, if the OP wants to petition it then he is welcome to, as are the people who get ganked. I have actioned on one bit of cheating that you lot did, but this question about whether you are input broadcasting or not is something that CCP would have to really analyse carefully and others would have to pettion, I hope that you are not, pretty simple that. As I easily avoid your feeble attempts to gank it is nether here or there for me at a personal level. So at this point I am enjoying your salt. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/63 "2018-09-13T12:37:05Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have actioned on one bit of cheating that you lot did please do tell > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I hope that you are not cmon, admit it, youd LOVE it if I got banned 😆 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > As I easily avoid your feeble attempts to gank it is nether here or there for me at a personal level. why would I gank any target under 10bil? fly nothing in value dont get ganked, being poor isnt something to be proud of > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So at this point I am enjoying your salt. My salt? hahaha I dunk a 81bil rhea, get some nice loots and then get you and a bunch of others crying about it on the forums, it couldnt be any better for me ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/64 "2018-09-13T12:41:26Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > cmon, admit it, youd LOVE it if I got banned 😆 Actually no, it is down to you and your actions whether you get banned or not. Like Loyal gloating over you know what… > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > why would I gank any target under 10bil? fly nothing in value dont get ganked, being poor isnt something to be proud of That is a try hard, I am obviously a lot poorer than you with all that rich pickings you get. But I operate around you guys as I understand how and what you do in the main. It is not exactly difficult to avoid you. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > I dunk a 81bil rhea Fair does, at least you did not bump it. I hope… The guy was not very sensible to move that in one go. ---
**Author:** ![Tax\_Collector\_Shardani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tax_collector_shardani/32/96417_2.png) [@Tax\_Collector\_Shardani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tax_Collector_Shardani)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/65 "2018-09-13T12:48:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Actually no, it is down to you and your actions whether you get banned or not. Like Loyal gloating over you know what… CODE. members are actual decent members of society, we dont get banned or do other things > [@Dracvlad](#): > > That is a try hard, I am obviously a lot poorer than you with all that rich pickings you get. But I operate around you guys as I understand how and what you do in the main. It is not exactly difficult to avoid you. 50mil tayra > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Fair does, at least you did not bump it. I hope… it was bumped for 2 hours till I got home and logged in my dps ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/66 "2018-09-13T12:50:19Z")
> [@Tax\_Collector\_Shardani](#): > > 50mil tayra If you say so, not what I use however. > [@Tax\_Collector\_Shardani](#): > > it was bumped for 2 hours till I got home and logged in my dps Shame then, at least you had to work for my alliance mates JF. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/67 "2018-09-13T12:51:35Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > me and my 29 siblings all play an account U wot m8? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/68 "2018-09-13T12:56:45Z")
> [@Mala\_Zvitorepka](#): > > The actual damage log would be required to see if there was cheating or not. This killmail doesn’t tell you anything - he could be cheating or not, there is no way to know from that data. Exactly what I am saying. There is no way to know from that data. Whether you could detect an input broadcaster or not is silly to debate. Of course it depends on all these factors, and whether you could or could not detect a pattern would depend on how consistent the damage per shot was. If the variability was too high, then you might not be able to see a pattern even if they were all activated simultaneously as I acknowledged many posts ago. However, if they were all in range and similarly skilled, groups would become apparent, especially over 20 characters. The guns are likely well in range and applying damage to a massive target so the damage would be rather uniform and a low rate of fire actually would help highlight these groups. But we don’t see that. We see a uniform spread across a time that other players have demonstrated it perfectly plausible to activate that many clients. That isn’t proof of not-cheating. But there is absolutely no reason from that killmail to conclude something nefarious is going on. Any kill with multiple attackers on zKill could be the result of input broadcasting/multiplexing. What is so special about this kill that it merits a 60+ post thread? Are we going to demand server logs to prove them all innocent of cheating too? ---
**Author:** ![Mai\_Hantaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mai_hantaka/32/474180_2.png) [@Mai\_Hantaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mai_Hantaka)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/69 "2018-09-13T13:11:38Z")
if only there was some kind of online ticketing system where people could report bots rather than make yet another whiny forum post about it. Other than that, nice kill, congratulations. It is good to see people hard at work doing great deeds in the name of @James_315. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/70 "2018-09-13T13:22:39Z")
I’ll take some logs and a link to the associated kill mail if its on offer ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/71 "2018-09-13T13:23:47Z")
Jesus Siegfried… I laughed and now I feel like a bad person ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/72 "2018-09-13T13:24:42Z")
> [@Mai\_Hantaka](#): > > if only there was some kind of online ticketing system where people could report bots rather than make yet another whiny forum post about it. Player reports, of players reporting botters with extensive evidence included, have shown it takes months for action to be taken, if ever. In this case, I think its just manually slapping hotkeys fast, and running sequentially through a cascade of windows in a “clever” arrangement. The about 9s duration, one after the other, to bring all the accounts guns to bare is about what I would expect, and perhaps even a bit slow (in part due to his PC struggling, and perhaps poor digit coordination). The variable damage is from different resist profiles on weapon charges. I dont see evidence of illegality here. He did say though that he has 29 siblings which did this gank with him, and that is obviously a lie, albeit not one of any legal consequence. So. A liar, yes. A botter, no, atleast in this instance. I dont understand why someone would want so many accounts or run a setup like this, instead of playing with others, but this time it paid off with a ridiculously overstuffed whale (although that too might just have been a false flag pinata setup to generate “CODE is relevant” propaganda/click-bait). ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/73 "2018-09-13T14:03:24Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > [https://zkillboard.com/kill/72309804/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/72309804/) > > I’m SURE this player Alt-Tabbed to each and every account individually and targeted and fired individually… > > or this person was using banned automation? > > Time to sack-up CCP. No need to alt tab, you just click along the taskbar, clearly you would run that many accounts in windowed mode, in which case you have them in fleet you broadcast the target and just control click + F1 and move along the taskbar, easily doable ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/74 "2018-09-13T14:06:43Z")
Alt-tab also cycles through windows in sequence, and takes even less time than moving the mouse cursor along the task-bar, clicking between windows. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/75 "2018-09-13T14:10:13Z")
Removed ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/76 "2018-09-13T14:11:17Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > Salvos Rhoska put at work as usual his ludicrous statements just to support terrible and absurd ideas Point is this is readily doable without botting//scripting/keybroadcasting. The accounts did not open fire simultaneously (albeit, that too could be scripted). ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/77 "2018-09-13T14:13:26Z")
Yes, also the earth is flat and there is a great wall in Antarctica guarded by UN 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/78 "2018-09-13T14:14:26Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > Yes, also the earth is flat and there is a great wall in Antarctica guarded by UN 🤣 Check the posts you missed in the thread. The sequence of opening fire is timestamped, and was not simultaneous. Everything else can be handled via fleet commands, as simultaneous. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/79 "2018-09-13T14:17:12Z")
I watched him at work, so maybe you can sell your BS to a newbie, but any player with some experience and half brain can see what is going on in just few minutes. So cut the crap for God’s sake… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/80 "2018-09-13T14:18:59Z")
With 30 accounts, I too can do what he did, without botting/keycasting/scripting. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=5)