# 22 Accounts. 1 Cheater? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980 "2018-09-12T22:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/81 "2018-09-13T14:20:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > With 30 accounts, I too can do what he did. You are just a clown, but this is not even funny šŸ¤Ŗ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/82 "2018-09-13T14:21:13Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > With 30 accounts, I too can do what he did. > > You are just a clown, but this is not even funny šŸ¤Ŗ Im not joking. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/83 "2018-09-13T14:21:29Z")
Thing is, how do you know is every such case isnt input broadcasting? if people would seriously take this matter and started reporting, what would happen? šŸ¤£ > [@22 Accounts. 1 Cheater?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/28): > > Alternatively, keycloning with ahk + randomiser, also popular in some circles these days. CCP should technically be able to detect signatures, or verify absence of them. But well, 1.5 man Team Security. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/84 "2018-09-13T14:22:30Z")
I need a popcorn dripā€¦ STAT! ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/85 "2018-09-13T14:23:24Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im not joking. I know, you are just a liar, and with this i end the conversation with a troll ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/86 "2018-09-13T14:24:24Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Im not joking. > > I know, you are just a liar, and with this i end the conversation with a troll Im not lying or trolling either. I could probably even a shave a second off that ~9s rotation to start each account firing. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/87 "2018-09-13T14:24:51Z")
Itā€™s automation for sure, but also i am sure that they just tolerate himā€¦ I watched a fleet of 20 alts in Uedama at work for about an hour, and i looked exactly for this thing; there is no delay at all between all alts, everyone is in perfect sync with the others when they undock, align, warp, shoot, etc. Salvos Rhoska put at work as usual his ludicrous statements just to support terrible and absurd ideas šŸ¤£ Tri-boxing is as much as you can do, realistic speaking, without compromise very bad the reaction time; using five accounts is something i know is used by some hardcore players, but is a crazy way to play as is very easy to screw it up. Using 20+ accounts in the same time is obvious impossible, at least for doing things in real time combatā€¦ until you finish to manage through that huge stack of windows to target, lock & fire, you will have concord landing on your head. Anyone who watch it (except some delusional nutcases) understand in few minutes what is going on, but for such high profile and repeated attacks to go unnoticed by any GM is also virtually impossible, so is very clear that reporting him is most likely a waste of timeā€¦ at least for now. But with the change of ownership, is also very possible that CCP will be forced to drop from their arms this kind of customers. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/88 "2018-09-13T14:25:16Z")
Who told you about the great Antarctic wall??? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/89 "2018-09-13T14:26:27Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > there is no delay at all between all alts, everyone is in perfect sync with the others when they undock, align, warp, shoot, etc. That is another instance. In this case, they did not ā€œshootā€ simultaneously. There was a ~9s delay between the first account opened fire, to the last. That is reasonably the time it takes to cycle through account windows issuing manual orders to open fire on commander designated target. Warp is a fleet command issued by commander, which causes warp of the entire fleet, simultaneously, when all ships have completed alignment. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/90 "2018-09-13T14:30:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Warp is a fleet command issued by commander, Was nice to issue undock and align commands as fleet commander, then you just donā€™t need anymore F1 moneys in a fleet. Glad that is not yet possible, so the automation is the only way to control 20+ alts in perfect sync. Anymore lies and crap to cover a player who is breaking the EULA in a very obvious way? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/91 "2018-09-13T14:32:42Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > Anymore lies and crap to cover a player who is breaking the EULA in a very obvious way? I explained it to you. If you think it involved illegal action, by all means, report it to CCP. * * * What I find most suspicious about all this, is this stupidly overstuffed whale of a freighter. Imo, its more than likely a false flag publicity stunt, for ā€œCODE is relevantā€ propaganda and click-bait to their site. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/93 "2018-09-13T14:39:39Z")
Is Dirtay your alt? Same guy lost 13.2bil also in Jita, in the same ship class, on May 7 of this year. > **[Rhea | Dirtay | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/69836221/)** > > Dirtay (The Black Cartel) lost their Rhea in Jita (The Forge). Final Blow by TiranTNT GRIN (G0P-ST0P) flying in a Machariel. Total Value: 12,786,409,876.88 ISK Apparently he didnt learn his lesson the first time, as administered by PIRAT then. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/94 "2018-09-13T14:59:07Z")
> [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > Hey, just out of curiosity, you didnā€™t happen to save the combat logs from that did you ? that way you can check how much actual delay there was between when 1st ship started firing at you and last one, because if there is only like 1 or 2 or even 3 seconds delay between ship #1 and ship #22 then its obviously botted, but if there is like 1.5-2 seconds between each one then thats actually some that has practiced and has it all set up. If you look at the damage applied per Talos, it looks like 2 shots each, that means each had at least 4.16 seconds firing on grid before CONCORD intervened. Taken that the squad had probably spawned CONCORD already, it would have taken roughly 13s for them to appear. Enough time for the gank to happen. Then again, cycling through 22 accounts and 1.5-2 seconds in between each (as you suggest), seems a bit too long. That would make that the first Talos are long dead before the later ones start firing, which would mean CONCORD will have some of their spawns free on grid to engage immediately after the first shot of later Tali has been fired. Also Faction police would have started firing at some point. That being said, I donā€™t think someone needs 1.5-2 seconds to switch, f1, switch again. If the overview is set up only for this purpose, the windows are staggered, the module is pre-activated while in warp to the target, itā€™s basically just a question of how fast you can click your mouse. A more realistic rate is at around 5 activations per second, which makes it possible to do the gank without any input automation. If you have data that suggests otherwise, it would be good to present it. Also, Iā€™m pretty sure that CCP has looked into these accounts before, as they certainly get reported a lot after those hilarious killmails. So it seems pretty legit. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/95 "2018-09-13T15:13:16Z")
The real two questions here are: 1. What goes through the mind of someone that cant safe undock in 83bil overstuffed freighter, out of JITA, whom lost a 13bil freighter there 2 months ago previously? 2. What goes through the mind of someone that actually runs 30accounts simultaneously in JITA? ---
**Author:** ![z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rella_zazzmataz/32/96427_2.png) [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rella_Zazzmataz)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/96 "2018-09-13T15:16:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What goes through the mind of someone that actually runs 30accounts simultaneously in JITA? ā€œiā€™m gonna ā– ā– ā– ā–  your ā– ā– ā– ā–  up and youā€™re gonna be having a very bad day.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/97 "2018-09-13T15:16:51Z")
Not a bad analysis by any means, the gank I have logs for was 26 Talosā€™s, plus a number of tackle, as it was Jita the Concord response was quick and that was also due to the initial tackle to stop it from cynoing out. Do you think 10 is possible within one second as that is one group I have on the logs I have? @Salvos_Rhoska if you could also give your opinion on whether 10 within one second is possible I would appreciate it. I would say that I am suspicious of this player, but he could be very good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/98 "2018-09-13T15:17:10Z")
> [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > What goes through the mind of someone that actually runs 30accounts simultaneously in JITA? > > ā€œiā€™m gonna ā– ā– ā– ā–  your ā– ā– ā– ā–  up and youā€™re gonna be having a very bad day.ā€ Imagine. This guy actually goes through the trouble of logging in 30 accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/99 "2018-09-13T15:17:40Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This guy actually goes through the trouble of logging in 30 accounts. Wonder if he automated that? šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/100 "2018-09-13T15:23:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > @Salvos_Rhoska if you could also give your opinion on whether 10 within one second is possible I would appreciate it. I would say that I am suspicious of this player, but he could be very good at it. 5per second is really pushing it for plausible manual input. 4per second is more realistic, especially further down the sequence of alts. You come up against the ā€œwindow wallā€ of switching to the next one to submit the next command, both in digital (ie:finger) speed, and in how fast the OS switches windows. ---
**Author:** ![z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rella_zazzmataz/32/96427_2.png) [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rella_Zazzmataz)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/101 "2018-09-13T15:33:32Z")
thereā€™s alternative task switchers for that. theyā€™re allowing you to switch through windows sequentially. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=6)