# 22 Accounts. 1 Cheater? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980 "2018-09-12T22:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/143 "2018-09-13T20:16:28Z")
> [@Estuary\_Algaert](#): > > I used to play a lot of fps games in the 90’s and early 00’s so I am way out of practice, only got 13.53/s. Could probably get 25-30 with my multi-button mouse from home. So did you do this using your multi-button mouse? I mean, the question was if someone is able to to switch between 10 accounts and do one click in each window within the timeframe of 1. The mouse would be the fastest, because it’s the smallest movement and it needs no accuracy if the finger already lays on the button. So let’s say the clicks can be done, but how exactly can will someone either switch the mouse position or do something that takes equal or more time, like switching screens, pressing keyboard shortcuts or the likes? I’d say if someone claims to be able to activate 10 sets of guns this way in just one second, 99.9% chance that it’s a lie. 3 seconds, sure, possible. 1, probably not. The other way around, if someone sees 10 ships activating within 1 second and they have reason to believe that it is the same player, I’d definitely say that there is a very high chance that some form of input automation, broadcasting or even a mechanical solution is used to cheat. It’s really easy, everyone can try it out at home: Try to get a watch and see how quickly a second passes. Now trying clicking your mouse 10 times while moving it a bit. Alternatively try to click your mouse 10 times and 9 times in between press a button on your keyboard to emulate the change of screens. note: I think this is not related to the OPs killmail, as iirc there is no claim of the Taloses being activated within 1 second. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/144 "2018-09-13T20:24:05Z")
Not necessarily, it could also suggest different distances to the target. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/145 "2018-09-13T20:30:20Z")
Or both. Without seeing the logs of someone involved, there is no way to come to a real conclusion. If the ships were activated below a neurophysically reasonable timeframe, it was probably input broadcasting. If not, it could have been done by hand. We need logs or this stays in the realm of speculation. Edit: linking this, for anyone interested in what neurophysically reasonable could mean [http://e.guigon.free.fr/rsc/article/Freund86.pdf](http://e.guigon.free.fr/rsc/article/Freund86.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/146 "2018-09-13T20:38:14Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > me and my 29 siblings all play an account ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/7/1745f5e4c87f6d0a04e7e717bdef4fee4fa20e5b.jpeg) –a Gadget gift for your family ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/147 "2018-09-13T20:41:00Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It’s actually 30 players, me and my 29 siblings all play an account, greg and johnson are our loot team, tim and asuka are our scouts, I play as a talos pilot, among others If your generation follows the path of your parents… what will your children gank with 900 siblings and cousins? ---
**Author:** ![TheDiddyKong\_Hatsune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thediddykong_hatsune/32/96472_2.png) [@TheDiddyKong\_Hatsune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheDiddyKong_Hatsune)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/148 "2018-09-13T20:41:03Z")
I mean, it’s completely possible to activate guns that quickly with the right setup. - Setup your window manager to round robin to the next window on a key press with all clients stacked on top of eachother - Preactivate guns - Upon warping in select the target on each client (Click + Robin to next window very quickly) - Click lock target button on overview between robin button button presses. How quickly can you click a single button and click in between? Very quickly since the mouse does not need to move (That’s how I would do it) ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/149 "2018-09-13T20:48:51Z")
> [@TheDiddyKong\_Hatsune](#): > > How quickly can you click a single button and click in between? Very quickly since the mouse does not need to move Yeah, I’d also do it like that and I agree it’s rather quick. There was the question (possibly unrelated to the above killmail) if anyone could do 10 of these activations in a second. The answer is: 99.9% no. Click a single button and click the mouse, repeat 10 times. That’s 20 actions in one second. Now, you do this on two different hands, but you need to coordinate it so that it all fits together. Fast? Yes. 20 coordinated actions per second? No. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/150 "2018-09-13T21:08:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I will ask the player concerned, if he says yes then I will send them to you. He is a hard nosed Eve player who does not care about losing stuff, so I doubt he would petition it in any way. Well that is how I see him… Obviously not that hard-nosed, if he made a QQ thread in the forums about it. He also clearly believes the person was cheating. A hard-nosed player would either accept the loss, or in the case of feeling cheated, submit a ticket as retribution on the cheater. They wouldn’t only make a forum thread telling CCP to sack up and ban the dude. This thread is, above all else, for theatrics. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/151 "2018-09-13T21:26:59Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > one can fairly easily > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > targeting a broadcast target, and “hitting F1” Is remined of large fleets… You would think 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/152 "2018-09-13T21:56:11Z")
> [@Mister\_Ark](#): > > You’re on the right track but you seriously think it takes 2 whole seconds to switch to a new window and press f1? You try clicking through windows fast with pressing F1. Takes no more than a second per window, slightly less even if you’ve gotten good at it. If I were multiboxing on that scale I’d have 2-3 computers with 2-3 monitors on each and not full screen but minimally set up clients, maybe 4 per monitor, and have window switching hotkeyed. So it would take me about 0.25 seconds to switch between windows on same monitor while about 1-2 seconds to switch between monitors. That’s just me though, other people may vary of course. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have a log from an alliance mate and they (the ganking ships) are grouped. Though logs are pretty unreliable to be honest. Next time make sure you save your own log. What you are looking for is time interval between damage sources. Either way, as CCP stated, if its suspicious, report it and let them sort it out. Attach any logs or whatever else with the reports. If it turns out it was legit, nothing will happen, if it turns out it was a bot, action will be taken. Thats by CCP. For me personally, multiboxing, AFKing anything, macroing, botting. hacking other peoples accounts etc. its all the same exact ■■■■ to me. I do not differentiate. The more of it is out of the game the better, good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Estuary\_Algaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/estuary_algaert/32/27420_2.png) [@Estuary\_Algaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Estuary_Algaert)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/153 "2018-09-13T22:10:58Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > ![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/estuary_algaert/40/27420_1.png) Estuary\_Algaert: > > > I used to play a lot of fps games in the 90’s and early 00’s so I am way out of practice, only got 13.53/s. Could probably get 25-30 with my multi-button mouse from home. > > So did you do this using your multi-button mouse? No, this was single click. I was implying I was not at home to use more appropriate equipment and that if I was, it would be likely much faster. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > The other way around, if someone sees 10 ships activating within 1 second and they have reason to believe that it is the same player, I’d definitely say that there is a very high chance that some form of input automation, broadcasting or even a mechanical solution is used to cheat. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > if anyone could do 10 of these activations in a second. The answer is: 99.9% no. I would defiantly agree, not everybody can do things quickly… heck… even automation can be set to do things slower than what a person might be able to accomplish. Something to remember though, this is a server second… Lag comes into play. So 10 in the same second apparent could be quite doable by a person. I remember quite fondly from my FPS days having people complain because I “killed them before they rounded the corner”… they had come round it already on my screen 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![holdmybeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holdmybeer/32/147512_2.png) [@holdmybeer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/holdmybeer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/154 "2018-09-13T22:12:45Z")
Hello friends! Just here to remind you, that CODE. **kills** bots, they don’t do any botting themselves. If you guys didn’t know yet, we are a very anti-bot organization. So to recap, the thread’s name should be changed to: 22 Accounts. 1 Winner ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/155 "2018-09-13T23:01:42Z")
I still want to know how it’s done (so I be a better ganker). Any videos available? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/156 "2018-09-13T23:30:22Z")
So many jealous bears here and I know why. It’s because I’m the number 1 pvper in eve and you lot pve and haul in 50mil tayras while you watch me solo dunk 80bil rheas Man, I’m the best ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/157 "2018-09-14T00:34:11Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/7/d79c8b28a01397479db2bfa3a7cf49602c975eb4.jpeg) That’s his other Ferrari, the one he drives when he’s farming idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/158 "2018-09-14T02:20:37Z")
Using isboxer to log in characters at the same time would actually be one of the things you are allowed to use broadcasting for. The same goes with setting up your ui if you wish to do it manually. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/159 "2018-09-14T05:35:20Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Obviously not that hard-nosed, if he made a QQ thread in the forums about it. He also clearly believes the person was cheating. I repeat, this is not the loss detailed above by the OP, I have a log of an attack which a player let me have as I wanted to check what they were using to point his JF. That was how he agreed to give them to me. Then I saw this thread and it made me think because I had seen the video’s of gankers using the alt-tab method and assumed that it was kosher. So I then started looking at the logs I have and it looks suspicious. > [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > Next time make sure you save your own log. What you are looking for is time interval between damage sources. Either way, as CCP stated, if its suspicious, report it and let them sort it out. Attach any logs or whatever else with the reports. And I have never lost a ship to CODE, and only a thrasher once while shooting Russian gankers. I have hauled a lot of stuff into the market hubs at times. Anyway these are not my logs and not the logs of the loss detailed by the OP. > [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > If it turns out it was legit, nothing will happen, if it turns out it was a bot, action will be taken. Thats by CCP. I will speak to the player concerned. > [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > For me personally, multiboxing, AFKing anything, macroing, botting. hacking other peoples accounts etc. its all the same exact ■■■■ to me. I do not differentiate. The more of it is out of the game the better, good riddance. For me too, however added to that I want Eve to be a challenge for both sides, be it hunters and prey, I have often argued against stuff that makes it too easy. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Using isboxer to log in characters at the same time would actually be one of the things you are allowed to use broadcasting for. The same goes with setting up your ui if you wish to do it manually. I am aware of that, it is that a number of people told me here in this thread that 5 per second was what you would expect, so I am now highly suspicious of this. EDIT Logs sent by Evemail to @Old_Pervert and @Noragen_Neirfallas after permission granted by the player concerned. Let me know what you think. It was stated that it was 8 in one go not 10 as I said, my error. In terms of the possibility it is on the extreme end of what is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Mala\_Zvitorepka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mala_zvitorepka/32/83676_2.png) [@Mala\_Zvitorepka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mala_Zvitorepka)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/160 "2018-09-14T06:48:03Z")
The player should absolutely report botting if he suspects it took place. The only way to get rid of botters is to report them and unfortunately even that doesn’t really work. The game design itself is just too bot-friendly to solve the problem. (tbfh, given the lossmail in OP, I hope he won’t be reimbursed even in case of botting. The fuck was that…) ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/161 "2018-09-14T07:58:05Z")
That he is using automation is beyond any doubt, as i said i watched 20 alts in action in Uedama for about an hour… is also crystal clear that any GM can notice the automation only using the visual clues, logs are not even required. So my conclusion was that he is tolerated because he is running around 25 omega accounts… that mean a lot of $$$. Put on top of that he burn through tons of isk blowing up a lot of ships with low value/ no value cargo, just for the kill value (empty JF, etc), isk who he gets by selling plexes for sure. Thinking what small fortune he spend for that ego boosting gank operations, i felt sorry for him and that alone was enough for of a reason to not bother reporting him… Really, wasting so much time and money is already a big punishment for him… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980/162 "2018-09-14T08:02:58Z")
You do know he is plexing those accounts? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/22-accounts-1-cheater/105980.md?page=9)