# 6 skills CCP should remove to drastically improve NPE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 27, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542 "2022-03-27T08:42:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/21 "2022-03-28T07:52:33Z")
> [@Mii\_Lady](#): > > CCP should remove: > > Warpdrive operation > Capacitor management > Capacitor systems operations > CPU management > Powergrid management > Cybernetics > > These skills are probably some of the core and oldest skills in the game. They are from a time before specialisations really were a buzzword in Eve and even now after 18 odd years stick in my mind as being needlessly frustrating. They represent around 60days of training. And for new players often feel like they are hurdles to jump before they can even begin looking at what they want to be flying. > > Combined the capacitor and warp-drive operations create an insane experience for newbs where they can fail to warp an entire star system and then eventually arrive with very little capacitor. These are outdated in the age of softer NPI and frankly, the number of skills added over the years more than offsets the removal of these. Lol More dumbing down ideas … Soon a game without Skills and just ships for an improved NPE !! FYI, part of the fun in having constraints with them kinds of core skills as a new player, is finding ways around them with various module types or combinations, shiptypes etc … BUT of course, New Players are dumb and cant think for themselves … Better keep changing the game mechanics to suit them instead … That’ll work out … ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/23 "2022-03-28T08:01:31Z")
Mine are level 5 already, you’ve probably noticed, Ive even begun my expensive Advanced Crybaby training ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Hive\_Overmind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hive_overmind/32/409451_2.png) [@Hive\_Overmind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hive_Overmind)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/25 "2022-03-28T08:09:31Z")
Dafaq you talking about, CCP already engaging in more new-player friendly game focus, have you missed that? SP for $$ so you can learn all that skills you thought you need, but never could bring yourself to actualy learning them over Advanced Astrogeology! ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/26 "2022-03-28T13:11:30Z")
Mining Barge Mining Frigate Mining These skills can go two! Newbros do not need them. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/27 "2022-03-28T14:02:26Z")
Not sure how to interpret that - are you saying newbies shouldn’t mine, or are you saying they should mine in barges? ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/28 "2022-03-28T15:45:55Z")
Actually, since I started EVE in 2003 the game has become exponentially more complex. In 2003 you had Frig, cruisers, and battleships. The mining ship of choice was the Apoc because it had 8 turrets. There was no Concord until after some evil doer’s camped Yulia with a Dominix. What a lot of you seem to fail to understand is that EVE’s primary resource is new players. Without them constantly feeding through the game things like the market collapse. As certain Items become unused or unfarmed by lower Sp accounts. Removing some low multiplier skills to counter this is hardly an issue for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/29 "2022-03-28T16:30:48Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > can’t warp very far with an empty cap There’s a 185 AU stretch in Oipo where I regularly get capacitor empty warning ( especially in a shuttle )…yet it warps anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/30 "2022-03-28T17:25:29Z")
Ha! The game would function pretty much as normal, if there were NO skills at all (or hidden, maxed out skills), just wealth gain and loss. We don’t fly HAC fleets because players wouldn’t have the skills for bigger ships. The majority of players already have an abundance of skill points on their mains. It just took time and money, that is all. Players often fly smaller and cheaper ships, because those are cost-effective and ship losses are common. But…to be charitable, CCP needs to make money to pay employees and keep servers running. Understandable. Player progression mechanics, misappropriated from roll-playing games, are the commonly accepted way to do it. Doesn’t make much sense, from a multiplayer gameplay perspective, but this is how monetization is usually sold and it works. Some people may also derive some joy from optimizing their skill progression path, so that’s a nice little extra for them. We don’t need it for enjoying the main course though. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/31 "2022-03-28T18:59:47Z")
Me : Comb hair Eve : You don’t have a comb…nearest comb is 87 jumps away Me : Buy comb…pilot to GodKnowsWhere system…Moon 2 Me : Pick up comb and apply to head Eve : You do not have ‘Hair combing skills 1’ Me : Purchase hair combing skills 1 Eve : You do not have ‘Parting your hair skills 1’ Me : Purchase parting hair skills 1 Eve : If you are going to go out looking like that you need ’ Doing up shoe laces skills 1’ Me : Purchase doing up shoe laces skills 1 Eve : Shoe laces need shoes…you need ‘Using shoes skills 1’ Me : Purchase shoes skills 1 Eve : Ah…now you need to purchase ‘Walking Skills 1’ Me : Purchase walking skills 1 Eve : Now you need moonwalking skills…like Michael Jackson Me : Huh ? Purchase moonwalking skills Eve : Now you must buy ‘Disco Dancing Skills 1’ Me : Purchase disco dancing skills Me : I simply wanted to comb my hair ! Eve : Skills queue 285 days…but for 650m ISK we’ll reduce it to 270 Me : Aaaargh ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/32 "2022-03-28T21:44:03Z")
> [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > Ideas for improving NPE tend to revolve around a model where we are trying to get them out to null in a big corp and in a viable endgame ship right out of the gates. I generally disagree with the premise that making life more fun for new players means sort of fast forwarding them through early game. The early game is fun, so that seems like a waste to me I totally agree. The early game experience needs to be about learning the environment, do’s, don’ts can’t can… Lots of reading and research. NPE should be centered around what world the player has jumped into. > [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > IMO, the problem with the early game that dissuades a lot of players has more to do with players not knowing what they’re supposed to do. I’d rather they improve the early game activities. Update missions, for example Yep. Missions are kind of the gateway into the game. I like the missions as they are now ( so far ) I’m dabbing into a few things to experiment what I like best for the time I have to spend playing. EVE offers a lot of stuff to do and that reading helped me a lot. And there’s always the Help Chat, most players in there are happy to orient, it’s been my experience anyway. > [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > Lots of new players assume that doing missions is the main thing they’re supposed to do, because it is in other games. So, make that a better experience Agree. PvP is cool, it’s fun and all that but sometimes a good-rounded storyline is just what one needs to start to get into the game after work… there’s always housecleaning but flying in space is more fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/33 "2022-03-28T22:22:06Z")
The word “management” does suggest that a skill is primarily a tedious bother. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/34 "2022-03-29T01:09:28Z")
The problem is, ccp highlights nullsec wars etc. You never see advertisements about pve activities as much as you do pvp. Journalists sure dont mention hardly any pve activity. You get a lot of nullsec in rookie chat encouraging new players looking for clans or corps to find a null corp to join. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/35 "2022-03-29T01:17:06Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > The problem is, ccp highlights nullsec wars etc. You never see advertisements about pve activities as much as you do pvp. Journalists sure dont mention hardly any pve activity There’s those promotional vids about careers in EVE and capsuleer aspirations. They show Exploration, Mining… I think CCP tries to keep it balanced between PvP and PvE but any good gamer knows PvP is best 😉 The journos will write whatever sells, I don’t gage anything on their words. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/36 "2022-03-29T02:48:18Z")
I kinda like the EE way of doing this (at least halfway) A single “Engineering” skill that increases PG, CPU, and Capacitor. I think rather than removing the skills full stop we could bundle them. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/37 "2022-03-29T02:48:56Z")
Invasions and Drifter attacks made the news 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/38 "2022-03-29T08:59:24Z")
> [@Mii\_Lady](#): > > What a lot of you seem to fail to understand is that EVE’s primary resource is new players. No it’s not. Not solely anyway. That’s a false pretense thrown around by late marketing folks to justify all the ■■■■ that’s happened to this game over the last decade. The reality of maintaining Eve’s primary resources lies in retaining the current, the old, and the new playerbase, not one over the other. Removing said skills is not the issue, it’s how you approach them in your playstyle ingame at your own level, and how you plan around it for the time it takes to train them. ---
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/39 "2022-03-29T09:32:00Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Alpha newbie: “can I fly a Tristan?” > rookie helper: “Yes, but you’d better start with Incursus to see and decide what you prefer to focus on first, guns or drones” ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/40 "2022-03-29T10:36:45Z")
How to know if you prefer drones… if you can’t use them. ![Smartmeme](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/0/aa0bcc822d4baa0510ad1a66f23ef75a1b0b4fd7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Yonniya\_Rainor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonniya_rainor/32/350908_2.png) [@Yonniya\_Rainor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonniya_Rainor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/41 "2022-03-29T14:04:46Z")
> [@Mii\_Lady](#): > > Capacitor management As an Amarr player that’s something I skilled pretty high (it’s IV), specifically where having a sustained cap to hang in a firefight longer is key. On the subject of skills-that-make-no-sense, it’s funny how Weapons Upgrade reduces CPU demand of weapons while the Advanced Weapons Upgrade reduces weapons demand on the powergrid. If we need to change the skills in any way to make it user-friendlier, the names would be a good start. Just my opinion of course. ---
**Author:** ![Yonniya\_Rainor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonniya_rainor/32/350908_2.png) [@Yonniya\_Rainor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonniya_Rainor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/42 "2022-03-29T14:09:09Z")
LOL! I felt exactly like that during my first week. Skill for the ship. Skill for the small lasers. Skill for the armor repairer. Skill for the afterburner. Skill for the target painter. Skill for the webber. Skill for the heat sink. Skill for the rigs. It’s a wonder I lasted long enough to actually undock the damn ship. 🤣 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542.md?page=3)