# 6 skills CCP should remove to drastically improve NPE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 27, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542 "2022-03-27T08:42:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/43 "2022-03-29T15:13:49Z")
The problem is that the skills board ends up becoming a traffic jam of competing skills…as one tries to skill for capacitor, and armour, and turrets, and missiles, etc, etc. Five months in, and I am still waiting for the skills to fly the 650 DPS Tornado I have the fittings for, and a Hecate too. There’s a whole series of competing 14 days or so level V skills one has to do before various ‘advanced’ skills can be done. This is absurd…5 months into a game. Players don’t have the patience of Job. ---
**Author:** ![Yareah\_Or](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yareah_or/32/463190_2.png) [@Yareah\_Or](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yareah_Or)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/44 "2022-03-29T15:15:46Z")
CCP should remove all skills from the game and find a fair way to monetise this game & stop beating down on new players subjected to arbitrary penalty. Vet here with an ever increasing amount of unallocated SP, development is now never going to outpace the free sp I keep getting & I have so much Plex and isk I’d never ever consider paying $ in this game for items or gametime. Stop think of skills as bonus hp, DPS ect and start thinking of them as the penalty that they are to new players. I’d suggest milking multi accounters dry with a logmarthmic Plex cost per account. They’ve been a cancer to Eve since Plex, stop milking new players and start milking the hollow. Trust me they will pay as they are losers with no life outside of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Yonniya\_Rainor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonniya_rainor/32/350908_2.png) [@Yonniya\_Rainor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonniya_Rainor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/45 "2022-03-29T16:21:35Z")
I do agree the skill queue should be streamlined more. I like @Ashterothi’s suggestion of combining some core skills. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/46 "2022-03-29T16:33:53Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Players _these days_ don’t have _any_ patience Fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/47 "2022-03-29T16:52:22Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > How to know if you prefer drones… if you can’t use them. Try 1 (on Incursus) first - can use easily, then decide if training up to all 5 is your top priority. There are some intermediate options, too. Or would rather go for guns (-\> Cata) ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/48 "2022-03-29T16:54:13Z")
> [@Khlaa\_Sor](#): > > Try 1 (on Incursus) first - can use easily, then decide if training up to all 5 is your top priority. Can’t really try with just 1 to see if you’d like it. > [@Khlaa\_Sor](#): > > Or would rather go for guns (-\> Cata) that’s an opinion, possibly yours, which again doesn’t really help newbies to try stuff out. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/49 "2022-03-29T17:03:12Z")
Nothing can help newbies. They need to help themselves. Step 1) Stop crying Step 2) Stop whining Step 3) Get good ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/50 "2022-03-29T17:04:36Z")
We can help newbies by not having them fall for the mission/mining trap, if only to show them there are other options. What they do with that information is up to them, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/51 "2022-03-29T17:45:43Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Fixed that for you. Maybe true…but then 20 years ago there weren’t so many things on my computer competing for my time. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, etc, didn’t even exist. Steam had barely got going…ah, the good old days when a game took a week to turn up in the post. Today I have to play a bit of Dishonored 2, a bit of Fallout 4, post on Facebook, catch up on Stranger Things as the new season is out soon… …oh, and I might even find time to log into Eve. # ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/52 "2022-03-29T22:52:52Z")
There seem to be two camps. One side is no screw newbs and anything that makes the game easier. With the general manifesto of “It was hard for me so it can stay hard”. Again I’m going to underline the fact that EVE is multipliers of times harder than when it began. There is constant feature and skill creep and that in itself should be balanced. Secondly, stop being general idiots. More new players mean more fun for you in long run. The other is basically in agreement with me that very early low multiplier core ship fitting skills are a problem that does make people stop playing before they can remotely be competitive in even a T1 frig… And I agree maybe the answer is starting new characters with LVL4/5 in a position that literally to a vet a matter of 15mil isk and a month’s worth of sp. It doesn’t really matter how it’s done be it skill removal. higher starting skills or skill amalgamation. My final feedback/challenge to anyone against this is: Go roll an alt. And actually play it again with no help from a vet or your main or anything. And try to get to a basic t1 frigate. with all the skills for it to lvl 4/5 without touching your main until you have. See how it feels to actually experience what a newb has to. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/53 "2022-03-29T23:32:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Today I have to play a bit of Dishonored 2, a bit of Fallout 4, post on Facebook, catch up on Stranger Things as the new season is out soon… > > …oh, and I might even find time to log into Eve. Then perhaps you’re not the EVE player CCP, and the game, are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/54 "2022-03-29T23:42:53Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Then perhaps you’re not the EVE player CCP, and the game, are looking for. I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for people who’s every post is negative. Nothing inclines noobs to leave more than vets with an ’ I got an arrow in the knee at the battle of Caldari Prime…I know everything’ attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Semarus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/semarus/32/371890_2.png) [@Semarus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Semarus)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/55 "2022-03-29T23:55:43Z")
Do you have supporting arguments for your false dichotomy? After filtering out the ad hominem, there isn’t much left in your post “as is”, to discern why you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/56 "2022-03-30T00:13:06Z")
as long as my ship stop with the "the capacitor is empty " ■■■■ all the time you can take out any skill you want ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/57 "2022-03-30T00:26:50Z")
Stop flying Amarr ships, coyo. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/58 "2022-03-30T00:32:29Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Stop flying Amarr ships, coyo. bruh… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/59 "2022-03-30T00:35:03Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for people who’s every post is negative. Nothing inclines noobs to leave more than vets with an ’ I got an arrow in the knee at the battle of Caldari Prime…I know everything’ attitude. I’m not, don’t be a drama queen. The point is that EVE is a long term game, it’s not meant to contend with the likes of games you list. If you feel that all those games are more important than EVE, being a long term MMO time sink, is not for you so why should CCP adjust and cater the game to someone who’s not really the target customer? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/60 "2022-03-30T05:00:43Z")
Eve is whatever I decide to make it. It’s not for you to tell me what it can or cannot be for me…or whether I play for enough time to qualify for your made up standards. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/61 "2022-03-30T05:36:42Z")
EvE is a sandbox. We can boss you around as much as we want. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542/62 "2022-03-30T05:44:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > We can boss you around as much as we want. Lol…catch me if you can. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/6-skills-ccp-should-remove-to-drastically-improve-npe/355542.md?page=4)