# 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Created:** [June 20, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973 "2017-06-20T15:33:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/341 "2020-07-18T02:25:23Z")
CCP doesn’t want us to know this number. The CSM might have some idea. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/342 "2020-07-27T21:25:01Z")
> [@ISD\_Athechu](#): > > Bigger is not always better > > - More expensive stuff is not always better stuff. > - Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely. > - Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it’s not better. Other times it’s not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better. > - There are no “solopwnmobiles” in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it’s shot hard enough. > - With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn’t matter all that much. Wooo. Yeah. So many EVE players get caught up in an endless grind. EVE is not a job, and arguably, flying expensive stuff makes you a target for the types of fights you often don’t want. At all. It can be fun. Maybe. Maybe is a good word in EVE. Maybe you are not as good as you think. Maybe you’d be better if you had spent more time dying in t1 frigates after all. :^) ---
**Author:** ![Khanid-ra\_Ravel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khanid-ra_ravel/32/299172_2.png) [@Khanid-ra\_Ravel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khanid-ra_Ravel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/343 "2020-08-17T20:10:34Z")
F you and your survival sh\*t. You are out to prey on innocents and you do it with glee. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/344 "2020-08-17T22:13:57Z")
What is an “innocent”? The dudes that deplete all of the natural resources of a system as fast as their army of smoke-billowing strip miners can lock all the asteroids? ---
**Author:** ![Kobalos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kobalos/32/230904_2.png) [@Kobalos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kobalos)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/345 "2020-09-22T05:15:49Z")
Every rule stated is reflective of real life. Just sayin. ---
**Author:** ![doodel\_danger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doodel_danger/32/254134_2.png) [@doodel\_danger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/doodel_danger)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/346 "2020-09-22T06:24:33Z")
So I consent to getting assaulted whenever I drive out of my garage? ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/347 "2020-09-22T07:32:36Z")
I am guessing the T2 mod represented as “neither cheaper nor better” is the best module in the game, the almighty 5MN Microwarpdrive II. ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/348 "2020-09-22T14:34:38Z")
You consent to the fact that there’s weird people on the street and you may be in danger every second. When police is coming, the assault uses to be already over or will soon be stopped. Same story, don’t forget your insurance and buckle up! ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/349 "2020-09-22T16:08:14Z")
You would do well to not confuse real life and this game. ---
**Author:** ![Van\_Devan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/van_devan/32/232199_2.png) [@Van\_Devan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Van_Devan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/350 "2020-09-27T14:04:47Z")
Interesting to read all the comments on this thread. Its been a long time since last playing Eve and just got back after a few years away. Built this new toon so I could relearn the basics. So in essence I agree with almost everything everyone has said bearing in mind the different perspective people have of the game and RL. Some comments are especially amusing such as comments about carebears/builders/farmers call us what you will (on a side note, bring back the un-nerffed Hulk and I’ll show you a real carebare in action). If it weren’t for us the game would not have evolved in such a spectacular way, that equally applies to everyone else who participates. We need the PvP/E’s just as much as they need us. Neither can thrive without the other in this game. The other comments that made me laugh were about AP? Is there autopilot ability in this game when flying? CRUMBS better go try that out. Just goes to show that even an old hand can learn something new 🤣 To all the new players out there who have read even some of this thread, its deffo worth looking at what you can already do and fitting ships accordingly. It’s also true there is no such thing as a safe place in Eve. There are many horror stories out there such as the person who was moving to low sec. He flew a large indy with all his stuff in it and lost the lot. This was years ago and he’d spent a great deal of hard earned RL cash on the game. So the moral of this story is the truism “If you can’t afford to lose it don’t do it”, especially if it has cost you RL money. Personally I think he was stupid to try flying a freighter to low sec without support. Enjoy the void, there are some fabulous experiences out there for you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/351 "2020-09-28T11:03:33Z")
I always find it sad how many long time players give up on helping the Eve community grow and embrace apathy instead. Encouraging scamming and griefing will never result in a positive outcome within the community, so why do it? If you don’t want Eve to grow, why are you here? Scammers and griefers already spend plenty of time using kindergarten logic to justify their actions, they don’t need or deserve your help, the people getting scammed do. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/352 "2020-09-28T12:14:39Z")
And blowing up somebody else’s ship is bullying and wrong, too? Think of how the victim feels when you treat someone that way ☹ 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/353 "2020-09-28T12:21:48Z")
Again, if you don’t want Eve to grow, why play at all? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/354 "2020-09-28T12:22:45Z")
So we should all hold hands and sing something uplifting? ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/355 "2020-09-28T12:33:44Z")
Put the kindergarten logic aside, and actually consider the question. Do you want the game to grow? If not, why play? If so, why act like this? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/356 "2020-09-28T12:35:06Z")
Your line of reasoning is completely contrary to the entire premise of the game. You want us all to be friends, but that is not compatible with the Eve universe. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/357 "2020-09-28T12:36:07Z")
Nope, nobody said friends except you. I said that encouraging scamming and griefing is contradictory to any claims that you wish the game to grow. Come on, reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/358 "2020-09-28T12:36:54Z")
You have a complete non sequitur there. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/359 "2020-09-28T12:40:08Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Put the kindergarten logic aside, and actually consider the question. Do you want the game to grow? If not, why play? If so, why act like this? I’m not sure why you are conflating “scamming” with “griefing” and both of those with “growth” of Eve. Eve is a great game because of the freedom it allows. That includes the ability to trick, cheat, extort, steal and general explode other players. Trying to remove those aspects of the game isn’t going to make it more popular - it will just make it more boring. Actual “griefing” is against the rules and CCP has shown they are very willing to enforce those rules. No one wants that. What isn’t against the rules is all the stuff in the OP: > [@ISD\_Athechu](#): > > Be able to afford a loss > > - Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can’t afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit. > > Consent to PvP > > - You consent to PvP when you click “undock”. > - You are not safe in 1.0 security space. [CONCORD](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208902-CONCORD) is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea. > - In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from aggression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked in a secret safespot could work too. > > Everyone can scam - and so can you > > - Never grant corporation rights to stuff you can’t afford to lose either. No exceptions. > - People offering free stuff? Probably traps. Be cautious. > - Free stuff usually isn’t. Not even minerals you mine yourself. > - If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Paranoia pays off here. Double-check everything. > - Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics. > - Harassment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference. > > Experience matters, not ISK or Skills > > - Just because some character is just a few minutes old doesn’t mean he’s a newbie. Many people have alts. The reverse is also possible, people come back after very long breaks, and characters are sold. You could see year-old newbies around too. > - Skills that take less than 1 day to train are short skills. Over one week is long. > - You’re in this game for the long haul. Don’t expect to do something meaningful in the grand scheme of things in the first day of your first trial account ever. > - All other things being equal (experience, skills), superior numbers more often win a fight rather than superior ship value. However, things are hardly ever equal. > - Total skillpoints count doesn’t matter much either, it’s level of relevant skills to the current situation that does. Yes, that does mean a 2 mil SP combat-oriented newbie could badly beat up a 60 mil SP industry-oriented veteran. > > Bigger is not always better > > - More expensive stuff is not always better stuff. > - Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely. > - Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it’s not better. Other times it’s not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better. > - There are no “solopwnmobiles” in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it’s shot hard enough. > - With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn’t matter all that much. > > Use the in-game info > > - Show Info and Variants-\>Compare are your best friends. Use it on all stuff you can. > - Always check your ship insurance before you undock. If it’s a T2 ship however… not that important. > > Unfair circumstances? > > - There is no such thing as “a fair fight” or “an unfair fight”. There’s only a fight. Circumstances are irrelevant. > - Just because you can fly something doesn’t mean you should. > > You will lose stuff, don’t worry! > > - If you PvP long enough, you will lose your ship. It’s only a matter of where and when. > - If you logoff in space without a [PvP timer](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208932-Weapon-and-Logoff-Timers), you’re only safe after 1 minutes… and then only until you log back in. If you logoff with a PvP timer, it’s at least 15 minutes. Bottom line, once a fight started, don’t logoff. You’ll only die anyway. > - Somebody, somewhere has better skills than you, more experience than you, is smarter than you, has more friends than you and can stay online longer than you. Just pray he’s not out to get you. > - If you lose stuff, it’s almost always your fault. Really, only yours. This is all great advice to help new players adjust to the game. These are the things that helped Eve grow, and things were even more cut-throat back in the day when Eve was younger and the game growing fast. I mean, who wouldn’t want to play this game after reading the 8 Golden Rules? ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/360 "2020-09-28T12:41:54Z")
You can claim some kind of libertarian high ground saying that anything goes, in reality people acting like douchebags only serve to drive away players/customers. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973.md?page=17)