# 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Created:** [June 20, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973 "2017-06-20T15:33:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/706 "2025-01-01T17:53:24Z")
You know, if CCP would put the following statement in the TOS, it would completely end this 20 year debate: **When you Undock your ship, you consent to PvP.** ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/707 "2025-01-01T18:06:49Z")
What you be better, (because the TOS is more about the usage of the product rather than the content) is when you undock, a huge, screen wide pop-up with “By undocking your ship, you are consenting to PVP. Do you wish to undock?” If you click yes, then there is another pop-up “Are you absolutely sure you want to undock, you may loose your ship due to PVP?” This time if you consent you have to type out “I consent to PVP.” Now this may seem like a lot, but the second step would go away on the 501st typing. This way it is ingrained in the persons mind, and they have been conditioned to accept that the game is PVP, no matter where they are at. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/708 "2025-01-01T18:09:00Z")
> [@Jamie\_Armstrong](#): > > the only way to win is to not play. Perhaps, winning could also mean experiencing the thrill, not necessarily the W/L ratio… ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/709 "2025-01-01T18:15:42Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > When you Undock your ship, you consent to PvP. When you’re born, you consent to PvP. ( People vs People ) I think that’s the truth they’re not telling us. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/710 "2025-01-01T18:29:48Z")
Not in the real world. there are laws in place in each society dictating what is and is not allowed as PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/711 "2025-01-01T18:32:13Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > there are laws in place Keep drinking that coolaid. I hope it’s strawberry flavor. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/712 "2025-01-01T18:35:01Z")
So you don’t believe that the laws are in place? Is that what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/713 "2025-01-01T18:36:55Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > So you don’t believe that the laws are in place? The laws are in place alright, only they’re there to protect some people and not others. Just like the cops, they’re there to protect some people and not others. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/714 "2025-01-01T18:39:15Z")
The topic is consent. It’s consent, not experience. One made the argument that in real life, you consent to being murdered by leaving your house- or being born… that isn’t the case because the laws prevent that. You can be murdered, but you can’t be considered to have consented just by leaving your house or by being born. This is about consent. ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/715 "2025-01-01T18:41:44Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > This is about consent. Okay. I don’t want to be off-topic, have my posts hidden and write for nothing. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/716 "2025-01-01T18:50:32Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Not in the real world. there are laws in place in each society dictating what is and is not allowed as PvP. This is a video game and not real life. Best you not conflate the two. Because if you are, you have bigger problems than just consenting to pvp with pixilated spaceships. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/718 "2025-01-01T19:00:22Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > what is and is not allowed as PvP. Yet people still get mugged , murdered, cheated on…you consent to PvP when you are born ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/722 "2025-01-02T09:41:46Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > the laws prevent that. The law is written words. It prevents nothing, in the end it’s just the pricelist for inappropriate behaviour. That’s why people are told to prudently handle their money and lock their doors. These are golden rules of life, and here are the golden rules of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/723 "2025-01-02T10:05:13Z")
I was talking about consent. Nothing more. It’s a word. ![missing-the-point-over-your-head](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/f/4/5f49c4a11083d4a1e34d5dd1f1b1e2649d8b0845.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/724 "2025-01-02T11:42:38Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I was talking about consent. Nothing more. It’s a word A word is enough to be shut down. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/725 "2025-01-02T14:24:05Z")
> [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](#): > > because he was upset about the topic Perhaps your topic was offensive, people have feelings you know? ![crying](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/2/0/220bbf3bae314fd60ceaf52de0a7c563b7836f5c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/726 "2025-01-02T15:39:16Z")
Well, in this very sentence you were talking about law. That’s more 😉 Back to consent: Technically by leaving home, you accept that a mugger will go to jail when caught. You hope nobody will mug you, and you definitely don’t want anyone to mug you (because then it wouldn’t be illegal, like a PvP duel). So any player’s consent is not referring to the deeds but to the rules which apply to the deeds. And because the consequences of this little difference are kind of complicated, the Golden Rules are a guidance. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/727 "2025-01-02T15:40:14Z")
This is about Eve Online. Post reported for Real Life references- they’ve been deleting those in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/728 "2025-01-02T15:43:06Z")
Well, that can also be a way to argue. Have a happy life. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/729 "2025-01-02T15:49:37Z")
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