# A couple of thoughts for getting new players in **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 22, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-thoughts-for-getting-new-players-in/154320 "2019-04-22T10:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 71
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-thoughts-for-getting-new-players-in/154320/71 "2019-04-22T14:42:53Z")
> [@Bloody\_Larry](#): > > And this is supposed to be a game, not a day-job ( the original comment about fun etc ). Grind is grind. It is, by all means, a hobby that takes a significant amount of time. Your assumption that EVE is about fun is wrong, because EVE has never been about _fun_, it always has been about _satisfaction_. Long term goals, not short time distraction. The only ones who believe it’s about fun are exactly those the game needs to least. They contribute barely anything, just jump in at a ping or event, then leave again when they’re done. They’re like cattle who only exist for others to eat. Partly necessary, sure, but absolutely not a defining element of the experience as a whole. More for you to learn: > [@Horrible Economy, why?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/38): > > I disagree heavily with this rather shallow approach of looking at it and i do so for good reasons. I strongly suggest rethinking this approach, especially because “fun / hr” does not fit well into what EVE ONLINE is and provides. I apologize in advance for being so thorough and writing books. I am used to speaking to people, which makes it much easier for me to skip whole paragraphs of text (you know what i mean :p), because I can observe if the one who’s listening is actually able to follo… Most people who only care about _fun_ are low quality players who treat EVE as a collection of minigames. They’re not worth getting into the game. The same goes for all those low income/low education people who, in no way or form, ever had a long term goal in their whole ■■■■■■■ life. You want those people in the game. For someone who claims to be “pretty solid on psychology” I suggest you take time to think about why these people are, in no way or form, fit for EVE ONLINE. Seriously, despite you probably not being a moron you really need to learn to shut up and start looking for evidence that you might not actually have any actual clue what the ■■■■ you are talking about. You’re insulting not only yourself, but also everyone else who has a better grasp of this topic. Some of us spent literally years studying this, analysing the problem, widening the scope of what it takes to solve it. You certainly didn’t. You’r taking this tiny, tiny part of the equation and believe that you can solve even just a part of the problems without actually understanding how ■■■■■■ up your “solution” actually is. 🙄 --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-thoughts-for-getting-new-players-in/154320)._