# A Critique of historical Imperial Reclaiming Policy **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429 "2017-08-24T13:56:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/203 "2017-09-02T05:44:59Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Looks like you just have to sit and wait with the rest of us. While some are sitting and waiting others are watching, preparing and planning. ---
**Author:** ![Jev\_North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jev_north/32/100533_2.png) [@Jev\_North](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jev_North)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/204 "2017-09-02T08:13:23Z")
Well, of the three, _preparing_ might have some practical application, but… be honest with yourself now. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/205 "2017-09-02T13:15:20Z")
I prefer impractical applications, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/206 "2017-09-02T18:29:48Z")
It’s funny how tribals blame Imperials in illegal slave trade, while one of the largest criminal organization that is involved in illegal slave raids is actually a Minmatar outlaw group known as Angel Cartel. Their hatred truly makes them blind… and dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/207 "2017-09-02T18:34:02Z")
Because the cartel doesnt specifically target us, the cartel isnt doing it in the name of destroying what we are. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/208 "2017-09-02T18:36:03Z")
It’s funny how you think the Angel Cartel’s activity is even _close_ to the scope of the Imperial slave trade. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/209 "2017-09-02T19:26:28Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Because the cartel doesnt specifically target us, the cartel isnt doing it in the name of destroying what we are. According to MIO representative, the reason for enslaving is a criminal activity, thus we can make a conclusion that the Empire specifically target criminals and outlaws in order to destroy what they are. Are you getting what I am coming to? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/210 "2017-09-02T19:33:43Z")
If the MIO is to believed or not I won’t argue, a history of doing what i said is most definately not shared between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/211 "2017-09-02T20:10:36Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > According to MIO representative, the reason for enslaving is a criminal activity So dirtside populations on Republic worlds, people that have never been inside the Empire, are being enslaved because the Empire says they’re criminals? I can only imagine how you’d feel if the Federation decided ‘hey, look, we’re gonna send the Fed Navy into Lonetrek to ‘arrest’ a whole bunch of people who’ve never been off-world. Not _specific_ people, mind, we’re just gonna take a few thousand at a pop, randomly… and we’re gonna do this for saaaay… forever.’ Yeah, I’m sure you’d decide ‘oh, well, they’re criminals? That’s fine, then.’ ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/212 "2017-09-02T20:17:59Z")
Some days I want to reconquer the Minmatar just so they’ll shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/213 "2017-09-02T20:19:24Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > So dirtside populations on Republic worlds, people that have never been inside the Empire, are being enslaved because the Empire says they’re criminals? They don’t, unless you are a relict fossil who’ve slept through the last 700 years or so. Time to wake up. Or maybe not. Keep sleeping. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/214 "2017-09-02T20:28:59Z")
Yeah, Diana, they _do_. Daily. All while they officially lie and claim they don’t. Where do you think all the Imperial Navy tags in Republic space come from? RSS and other orgs hire capsuleers to hunt these guys. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/215 "2017-09-02T20:29:58Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > So dirtside populations on Republic worlds, people that have never been inside the Empire, are being enslaved because the Empire says they’re criminals? Being Minmatar without a permit. Being accessory to being Minmatar without a permit. Aiding and abetting being Minmatar without a permit. Stop _right_ there, criminal scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/216 "2017-09-03T02:07:07Z")
I think you’re mistaking illegal and immoral here, Miz. The raids are illegal and evidence of them constitutes evidence of a breach of the Yulai Accords (if I remember correctly). The Empire undertook not to raid outside their space for slaves. The breeding facilities are not illegal under Empire Law, even if they make me throw up in my mouth at the thought of them. They are also not a breach of any undertaking that the Empire has made to an outside power. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/217 "2017-09-03T02:34:06Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > So dirtside populations on Republic worlds, people that have never been inside the Empire, are being enslaved because the Empire says they’re criminals? Everyone that is not a member of the faith is a criminal under Scriptural law. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Empire has agreed to rules regarding international behavior, and any breaches of those rules is dishonest and a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/218 "2017-09-03T06:02:59Z")
Some days I wish slavers with their superiority complexes and nothing but snark to contribute would just STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/219 "2017-09-04T07:53:35Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Everyone that is not a member of the faith is a criminal under Scriptural law. Time to start enslaving the Caldari as well, then? Surely relying on criminals as allies of convenience is morally abhorrent? ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/220 "2017-09-04T08:40:25Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > > > Everyone that is not a member of the faith is a criminal under Scriptural law. > > Time to start enslaving the Caldari as well, then? Surely relying on criminals as allies of convenience is morally abhorrent? Read both parts of my post. > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > But that doesn’t change the fact that the Empire has agreed to rules regarding international behavior, and any breaches of those rules is dishonest and a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/221 "2017-09-04T08:43:05Z")
Well then you should be working harder to comply to those agreements, no? ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429/222 "2017-09-04T08:49:48Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > Well then you should be working harder to comply to those agreements, no? I am not the emperor, an heir, or a holder. I am not an ambassador, Theology Councillor, Privy Councillor, or a general. I have no authority in the Empire, and so cannot compel anyone to comply to those agreements. Nor have I ever engaged in such violations myself, so I already personally comply to those agreements. In short, throw your accusations at someone else. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-critique-of-historical-imperial-reclaiming-policy/19429.md?page=12)