# A Cyno-Jammer for needle-jack filaments **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 25, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960 "2024-07-25T20:15:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/21 "2024-07-26T20:24:23Z")
And when you still can’t catch them, then you’ll want filaments nerfed some more. Just like with cloaks, even when they got nerfed you people still whined about cloaky campers, and wanting them nerfed again. Give 'em an inch, and they’ll take a mile. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/22 "2024-07-26T20:27:49Z")
That’s the problem with players who think the game would be in the perfect state with just one more nerf. Then another. Then another… ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/23 "2024-07-26T20:27:50Z")
But he only wants to make the game “_more fair_™”. 😉 🍿 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/24 "2024-07-26T20:29:51Z")
My bad for wanting an interactive game to be more interactive, i guess. I don’t even know what the issue is. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/25 "2024-07-26T20:30:02Z")
How is that a nerf to anything? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/26 "2024-07-26T20:31:53Z")
Because, as with most things that nullsec residents want changed, it doesn’t just affect nullsec. If filaments took 30 seconds to spool up, that would give high sec abyssal trace hunters time to probe a player down and shank their 6 billion ISK Gila before they even got to enter the instance. Pretty sure Pochven residents wouldn’t be happy with that change either. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/27 "2024-07-26T20:32:10Z")
Just explain to me how it’s a bad thing to have a possible interaction point more to generate content. do you hate content? ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/28 "2024-07-26T20:32:25Z")
This threat is about needlejack filaments, not abyssal filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/29 "2024-07-26T20:32:28Z")
> [@A Cyno-Jammer for needle-jack filaments](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/23): > > But he only wants to make the game “more fair™”. wink popcorn innocent > [@Profane\_Soulchaot](#): > > wanting an interactive game to be more interactive 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/30 "2024-07-26T20:32:58Z")
and what about you? do you hate interaction? xD Honestly, what’s wrong here? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/31 "2024-07-26T20:32:59Z")
Then it’s a pointless change. All I would have to do is needlejack into null, rob the ESS, then Pochven Express. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/32 "2024-07-26T20:34:22Z")
Grr. All non-pve-related filaments\* Pochven is as much a PvP filament as needlejacks are. At this point I have to assume you’re purpusefully missunderstanding me. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/33 "2024-07-26T20:35:37Z")
Well, you stated specifically Needlejack filaments. But, thank you for making my case for me. Now you don’t just want Needlejacks nerfed with a timer, now you also want it to be Pochven filaments. Like I said, it never ends… ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/34 "2024-07-26T20:36:23Z")
> [@Profane\_Soulchaot](#): > > Realistically speaking, I “won” the engagement if they filament out without getting the ESS (assuming that’s the reason they were there), but it does not feel like winning. > On the other hand, if roles are reversed, I always try to “gate out” after using one, because honestly, it just feels bad escaping like that and I can’t bring myself to do it. They make an efford to shut every escape-path down and you just blink out. This is my stance, if you disagree with me, that’s fine, but there’s no reason to call me bad at the game or insult me over it. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/35 "2024-07-26T20:37:12Z")
Have you tried getting better at the game? Not trying to insult, just asking if you’ve _tried_ it… ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/36 "2024-07-26T20:37:20Z")
> [@Profane\_Soulchaot](#): > > Honestly, what’s wrong here? Your proposal and the agenda behind it and the mindset behind your agenda. Instead of trying to get better at the game you try to meta the game by attempting to have the devs cater to your lack of dedication. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/37 "2024-07-26T20:40:09Z")
Have you tried oh, I don’t know, maybe guarding the ESS? No? Why is that? Because you don’t want to risk getting tackled and dropped on. I swear, nullsec residents are the most risk averse players in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/38 "2024-07-26T20:41:06Z")
Understandable, but that’s not what this is about for me 🙂 If you think that the risk is as high as the potential reward when you take a filament to rob an ESS, you’re quite frankly dellusional. But I doubt you are. I think you’re OK with it being easier to get out than it is to catch people. I know how to run in circles until the timer runs out, but I personally think it’s not as good of gameplay as it could be. And you all act like I want it to happen all the time, my initial suggestion was a deployable like mobile observatories. Those don’t break the game. They have a niche, and when it comes up, its sweet gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/39 "2024-07-26T20:42:27Z")
You can stop making assumptions about my intend, you keep on missing. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/40 "2024-07-26T20:42:33Z")
Like I said, adding a 30 second activation timer to Needlejack and Pochven filaments affects everyone in the game, not just those trying to rob your precious ESS. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960.md?page=3)