# A Cyno-Jammer for needle-jack filaments **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 25, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960 "2024-07-25T20:15:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/61 "2024-07-26T20:59:18Z")
so if none of this actually helps, why are you so riled up about another item in the game that “does nothing”? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/62 "2024-07-26T20:59:20Z")
Unless they are complete idiots or new players, no, you won’t catch a filament user. Just like you’ll never catch a cloaky camper who isn’t AFK. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/63 "2024-07-26T21:00:05Z")
You’re saying that like it’s an arguement for you, but it really is one for us. Or do you think that’s good, too? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/64 "2024-07-26T21:00:10Z")
So, don’t you think it’s bad game design if filament users cannot be caught? Shouldn’t EVE have risk for _everyone?_ Also leave cloaky campers out of it, that’s a completely different topic I’m tired of. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/65 "2024-07-26T21:01:04Z")
You’ll also never catch a good blockade runner pilot in high sec, or low, for that matter. Should that be nerfed as well? ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/66 "2024-07-26T21:02:12Z")
No, because that’s something very different. You’re good at “wahtaboutism” tho. Or are the “buzzwords” i throw around too much again? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/67 "2024-07-26T21:02:57Z")
> [@Pochven filaments questions](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-filaments-questions/318575/3): > > To add on to 1: You cannot have a combat timer so you cannot take a filament in any of those situations you describe. Not sure if you can take one while webbed by an NPC, but you certainly cannot when under attack by a player. In short: you cannot use filaments to run from a pvp fight, unless you managed to run for 15 minutes succesfully already. Isn’t this still the case? If the guy can run from the fight for 15 mins isn’t that proof enough his pursuers failed to catch him? He can even sign off or just filament out, they had their chance already to catch him. Isn’t this true? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/68 "2024-07-26T21:03:11Z")
Different thing, those ships are designed to be hard to kill (yet can still be killed). Filaments are available to every ship though. Should they allow everyone to be instantly out of bad situations? Like Profane Soulchaot noticed well: you’re using whataboutisms all the time. Why not stick to the topic at hand and answer the questions instead of deflecting? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/69 "2024-07-26T21:03:15Z")
So, not being able to catch cloaky campers or blockade runners is okay, but you draw the line at not being able to catch filament users? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/70 "2024-07-26T21:04:57Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > He can even sign off or just filament out, they had their chance already to catch him. Isn’t this true? He could be warping between bookmarks for 15 minutes while avoiding combat probes. If he attempts to sign off they have a 30 second delay ( the safe log off timer) during which a good combat prober will catch them, which is a delay that exists for balance purposes to avoid this scenario where the player can instantly remove themselves from a chase. Even if they were to avoid the safe log off and instead close their client the ship stays in space for 30 seconds. Likewise I’m asking for the same 30 second delay to filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/71 "2024-07-26T21:05:24Z")
No, because if you rinse and repeat the same correct pattern when making a run, you’ll never be caught. If you have to use a gate eventually, there’s a point where you have to intersect with the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/72 "2024-07-26T21:07:24Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > So, not being able to catch cloaky campers or blockade runners is okay, but you draw the line at not being able to catch filament users? Whataboutism. And not even a good related one, because blockade runners are intentionally slippery unlike the ships that can use filaments, which is ‘all subcaps’ including sluggish battleships and Orcas. Why should those ships be able to slip away from a well-prepared chase? Next, cloaky campers can already be caught ever since mobile observatories added means to catch the AFK cloaky campers. Non-AFK (Active) cloaky campers could always be caught already by presenting the right bait. Now can we go back to the topic of filaments? Or are you going to try to move our attention elsewhere again? What is it that makes you so defensive about filaments? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/73 "2024-07-26T21:16:00Z")
I’m not _telling_ you to get better at the game, I’m just asking if you’ve _tried_. Put it into the computer and see what comes out. …are we the baddies? ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/74 "2024-07-26T21:22:52Z")
I’m not _telling_ you to be constructive and have an actual point, i’m just asking if you’ve _tried_ … are you dense? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/75 "2024-07-26T21:24:20Z")
Clearly you are dense if you’re so horrendous at this game you have to cry on the forums and insult everyone. You’re not supposed to use the Target Painter module on yourself. Dry your eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/76 "2024-07-26T21:25:31Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > insult everyone. yep. dellusion. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/77 "2024-07-26T21:26:08Z")
You should biomass your toon. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/78 "2024-07-26T21:27:25Z")
yeah, you’re being mighty constructive, my baaaad. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/79 "2024-07-26T23:37:15Z")
You’re only getting the feedback you bring upon yourself. If everyone around you is an assh\*le, they are not the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Profane\_Soulchaot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/profane_soulchaot/32/451052_2.png) [@Profane\_Soulchaot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Profane_Soulchaot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-cyno-jammer-for-needle-jack-filaments/456960/80 "2024-07-27T05:53:33Z")
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