# A Gentle Review From a New User **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 20, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864 "2022-12-20T07:22:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![cyraxthehated\_Metesur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyraxthehated_metesur/32/409997_2.png) [@cyraxthehated\_Metesur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cyraxthehated_Metesur)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/84 "2022-12-25T15:00:07Z")
I can say this to the OP, i am finally with a corp that is helping me learn. I am finally starting to “get” this game and highly enjoy it now. People make this game what it is more than the content itself… ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/85 "2022-12-25T16:05:21Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > they call in their Discord buddies and alts to gangbang that person, constantly Some people pay a lot of money for that service. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/86 "2022-12-26T05:10:55Z")
Mmmm…we aiways get the shower of praise to set up the actual hook (_which is a scam in itself_). The…uh, I’m the only person in history to catch this “Ponzy scheme”…hook here from an arduous wall of text bespeaks of someone with scant understanding of both the subjects of a.) What _is_ a Ponzy scheme, and b.) This game. I applaud the obvious attempt to appear intelligent, insightful and articulate. However, considering points a and b, some doubt is cast on those three characterizations. ---
**Author:** ![Vizkomaru\_Togashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vizkomaru_togashi/32/464153_2.png) [@Vizkomaru\_Togashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vizkomaru_Togashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/87 "2022-12-27T02:23:16Z")
You know something is wrong in the thread when the op writes an impossible-to-read-in-1-min text wall every time he replies. Am I pointing the obvious if I say “no like, no buy” with a chinese old woman accent ? ---
**Author:** ![Back\_Again\_Again](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/back_again_again/32/339125_2.png) [@Back\_Again\_Again](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Back_Again_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/88 "2022-12-27T11:16:27Z")
> [@Vizkomaru\_Togashi](#): > > Am I pointing the obvious if I say “no like, no buy” with a chinese old woman accent ? Only if you live in USA. Btw, I forgot to take my picture, I was SO EAGER TO PLAY WITH MY VENTURE. Sorry if it’s impolite, but I realized I’m shy, so no pic serves me right. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/374461_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/89 "2022-12-27T13:25:19Z")
> [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > Mmmm…we aiways get the shower of praise to set up the actual hook (_which is a scam in itself_). The…uh, I’m the only person in history to catch this “Ponzy scheme”…hook here from an arduous wall of text bespeaks of someone with scant understanding of both the subjects of a.) What _is_ a Ponzy scheme, and b.) This game. I applaud the obvious attempt to appear intelligent, insightful and articulate. However, considering points a and b, some doubt is cast on those three characterizations. @Serene_Repose I don’t know why people such as yourself believe I have an ulterior motive here. I don’t. I gave you my review. Reviews are an evaluation by the author of said review. I simply listed some pros and cons. Bad reviews have nothing nice to say about the matter or they only praise the subject. Because you didn’t have time to look up the meaning. I said the selling of Plex for ISK is akin to the Ponzy scheme. Ponzy was a man in New York who claimed to be a financial investor. He would take money as investments but show the money to the investors depending on their greed to invest more. All the time he was not investing the money into anything at all, he was just collecting money. He got too greedy and ended up with the investors wanting to pull out. His house of cards collapsed. If or when the players buying Plex for ISK stops, the economy falls apart. Fortunately for this game, there are still new players unaware that buying ISK for Plex is a bad idea, or it would not be available in the market. Also I applaud your attempt to embitter me by using some inverse comment about being ignorant, foolish, and unintelligible. It is apparent to me, you either drank the Kool-Aid or just looking for provocation. If you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Have a better one. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/90 "2022-12-27T13:28:44Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > It is apparent to me, you either drank the Kool-Aid or just looking for provocation. If you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Have you considered that everyone is mocking you because of your silly overly dramatic attempts to demonize the game as a “Ponzi scheme”. Like give us a break. We are all so sorry that you are not doing well in your space adventures, and we wish you the best of luck in Farmville or whatever game you pursue next. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/374461_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/91 "2022-12-27T14:01:07Z")
@Aiko_Danuja everyone is rather a broad scope, I attempt to refrain from using **we** and **everyone** , as it makes me sound like I am lording over the community. I see people who disagree, others who have analyzed what I have said, and some who have taken the meaning out of context. e.g. You said, “silly overly dramatic attempts to demonize the game as a “Ponzi scheme”.” I never demonized this game. Others keep claiming I am some kind of prohibitionist (against gambling), some claim I am some Machiavellian who is pretending to be someone else (not a new player), and yet all this is not about the whole review but just casting doubts up the reviewer. I am pleased that so many took time to read the review but somewhat disappointed, too much debate was spent on the monetary paragraph. There is more to my review than one paragraph. Yet everyone is focused on the money. Revenues should be the focus of the game company and not the consumer. The 8th paragraph was my “buyer beware” statement and the fact that I see no interest investing my cash into the game store. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > We are all so sorry that you are not doing well in your space adventures, and we wish you the best of luck in Farmville or whatever game you pursue next. I realize this was mean to hurt me. I think it speaks volumes that I somehow have injured your ego or pride. I sincerely apologize to you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/92 "2022-12-27T14:05:22Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > others who have analyzed what I have said Wow, just stop. Nobody is analyzing your rants. At this point, you’ve spent more time writing about EvE Online than actually playing the game. Feel free to go leave a review on Steam, but you are wasting your time trying to tell people who play a game what you think about the game you haven’t even played. > **[Dragoon | Srima Darkstar | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/104452318/)** > > Srima Darkstar (Covert Undercover Logistic Transport) lost their Dragoon in Sharuveil (Sinq Laison) Total Value: 1,231,639.99 ISK What is all this really about? This is all about his frail ego. Mr. Darkstar simply can’t handle the fact that his unfit spaceship was intercepted whilst autopiloting through lowsec. Ergo, the only reasonable conclusion is that the game is pay to win! Unfortunately, Srima clearly takes no responsibility whatsoever for the untimely death of his crew, or the tragic loss of his not so covert logistic transport. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/93 "2022-12-27T14:32:55Z")
Don’t bother apologizing to that poster. He’s just a miserable little no lifer who’s only goal is to disrupt and derail threads by trying to make others feel the same way. Can check his posting history and you’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/94 "2022-12-27T15:38:50Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Right, well some players don’t want to look up guides. They don’t want to take a training course in how to play a game, they just want to play a game. They aren’t inferior just because they don’t go into a game with the idea that they are not only going to pay for the game but are going to have to study before they start just to make it worthwhile. There’s no end of Youtube tutorials on Eve…ranging from simple to complex explanations and from 5 minutes to over an hour. CCP should not be amending their game just because some are too lazy to investigate what they are playing. I find this whole ’ there are some players who…’ line of reasoning tedious. There are probably ‘some players who’ stand on their head and juggle golf balls with their toes while playing games…should CCP cater for them too ? In computing circles there’s an acronym RTFM. It applies every bit as much to Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/95 "2022-12-27T16:06:49Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > all this is not about the whole review but just casting doubts up the reviewer. Congratulations, you made it to the actual game of Eve online. Where in a free and fair sandbox universe everyone who is a scoundrel and everyone who isn’t can all say whatever slanderous thing they want to someone, about someone, and for someone’s goal. It doesn’t matter that you’re “outside the game giving it a review”, the meta-game has _long_ included “things outside the login screen”. The question is, are you gonna log in and try to chase Aiko to blow her up for the way she talked to you? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/96 "2022-12-27T19:59:43Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Don’t bother apologizing to that poster. He’s just a miserable little no lifer who’s only goal is to disrupt and derail threads by trying to make others feel the same way. Can check his posting history and you’ll see. The irony of this post is delicious. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > The question is, are you gonna log in and try to chase Aiko to blow her up for the way she talked to you? Of course not LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/97 "2022-12-27T20:27:28Z")
Sure, games can just say “RTFM” but then they’ll lose players. Well-designed games don’t require players to use third-party websites and applications just to be able to play the game. For the record, CCP are already amending their game for these players. That’s what the improvements to things like the NPE are there to do, to teach players how to play the game without them needing to go find third-party guides and hope they are up to date. It’s a good thing too because most third-party information about EVE is out of date. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/98 "2022-12-27T21:10:53Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Sure, games can just say “RTFM” but then they’ll lose players. Yes. Games _should_ lose players who can’t even be bothered studying the instructions. Or does your intended version of Eve come with a free set of diapers and instructions on how to do up your shoe laces ? ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/99 "2022-12-27T21:19:41Z")
But you’re not talking about “the instructions” you’re talking about third-party websites. I’m saying the game should have “the instructions” so that people don’t have to take an out-of-game course to be able to play the game. You’re outraged because I think the developers should take responsibility for teaching players to play the game they built. You’re so angry all of the time. It can’t be healthy. Take a breath. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/100 "2022-12-27T21:21:00Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You’re so angry all of the time. It can’t be healthy. Do stop projecting. It isn’t healthy. And seriously, it takes seconds to log into Youtube and find no end of good up to date videos on how to play Eve. Stop inventing problems. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/101 "2022-12-27T21:27:13Z")
I’m not inventing a problem. If a game is designed in such a way that it requires new players to go to YouTube to look up guides in order to play it then it’s badly designed. I’m sure you know this too, you will just argue about anything and everything. CCP knows this which is why they are improving their NPE all the time and it’s already far better than it used to be. There are still gaps though. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/102 "2022-12-27T21:57:26Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I’m not inventing a problem. If a game is designed in such a way that it requires new players to go to YouTube to look up guides in order to play it then it’s badly designed. I’m sure you know this too, you will just argue about anything and everything. There’s nothing to argue over. Youtube is full of ‘how to’ videos for just about every game there is. I’ve yet to see a single game that was ever adequately explained within the game itself. I’ve had to use Youtube videos for Fallout 4…for example…the in-game ‘help’ system is very limited. It’s not really a problem as there’s player videos explaining every aspect of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864/103 "2022-12-27T22:06:15Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Youtube is full of ‘how to’ videos for just about every game there is. What do you mean, the much-hated Dwarf Fortress and the spiteful hate-riddled Dwarf Fortress community are all playing an objectively awful game. Sure Tarn and Zach Adams can just say “RTFM” but then they’ll lose players. Well-designed games don’t require players to use third-party websites like DF Wiki and applications like DFHack just to be able to play the game. For the record, Bay 12 Games are already amending their game for these players. That’s what the improvements to things like the Steam release are there to do, to teach players how to actually understand the game graphics without them needing to go find third-party guides and hope they are up to date, nor learning about the `k` key. It’s a good thing too because most third-party information about Dwarf Fortress is out of date. The game should have “the instructions” so that people don’t have to take an out-of-game course to be able to play the game. You’re outraged because I think the developers should take _personal_ responsibility for teaching players to play the game they built. Bay 12 knows this which is why they are improving their graphics all the time and it’s already far better than it used to be. There are still gaps though. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gentle-review-from-a-new-user/388864.md?page=6)