# A Gift to the Empire, and The Nature of the War **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545 "2021-07-19T22:47:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/66 "2021-07-22T17:14:17Z")
This new generation of slaver zealot has no sense of proportion, class or humor apparently. At least with the old guard like Newelle you could have a rational discussion with, agree to disagree and move on. _Sighs, shakes her head sadly and then closes the feed_ ---
**Author:** ![Mikal\_Vektor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikal_vektor/32/267041_2.png) [@Mikal\_Vektor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikal_Vektor)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/67 "2021-07-22T17:23:42Z")
On the contrary, this older generation of victimized slave has no sense of organization, finesse, or strategy. At least the old guard like jebi would undock to face his foe as opposed to broadcasting meek defiance from the safety of high security space. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/68 "2021-07-22T17:25:02Z")
You obviously know nothing of me or my alliance. Go ask your betters like Newelle or look it up before you talk crap, youngling. Tribal Liberation Force Blade Commander Anabella Rella, Director, Gradient Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/69 "2021-07-22T17:27:50Z")
To inform all, Electus Matari are a terrorist band that is marginally more likeable than Ushra’khan, about similarly inept at combat, and less brave. ---
**Author:** ![Mikal\_Vektor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikal_vektor/32/267041_2.png) [@Mikal\_Vektor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikal_Vektor)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/70 "2021-07-22T17:30:01Z")
I have disassembled fleets fielded by your alliance on many occasions. I do not know much of you, specifically - probably because you do not do much outside the safety of high security space. However, a brief inspection of your pilot records confirm that you have achieved 6% of the kills I have, in a record that spans about twice as many years. I know you have some titles but you must forgive me, who are you again? ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Delegate\_Zero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_delegate_zero/32/260726_2.png) [@CCP\_Delegate\_Zero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Delegate_Zero)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/71 "2021-07-22T17:31:12Z")
((OOC Posts Deleted. It was perfectly clear that a post replied to in an explicitly and flagrantly OOC manner on this forum was actually IC. Stop the OOC posting. - CCP Delegate Zero)) ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/72 "2021-07-22T17:34:48Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Blade Commander Anabella Rella, > Director, Gradient Do you have exceptional qualities that counterbalance your barely literate convulsions, or are Gradient Directors not required as a matter of course to be able to articulate themselves clearly? ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/73 "2021-07-22T17:41:40Z")
Who are you? ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/74 "2021-07-22T17:42:38Z")
A humble servant of my people, naturally. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/75 "2021-07-22T17:46:54Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > similarly inept Pretty sure we are differently inept. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/76 "2021-07-22T17:53:06Z")
> [@Mikal\_Vektor](#): > > However, a brief inspection of your pilot records confirm that you have achieved 6% of the kills I have, in a record that spans about twice as many years. Welcome to Flawed Metrics. For example, a quick perusal of our combat records shows you’ve destroyed more than 4x as many ships as I have, in a little more than half the time in space. It _doesn’t_, however, show the tens of thousands of ships I’ve kept from dying in over 50,000 hours of fleet combat, because the vast majority of the time, I only show on a killboard when my logistics ship _dies_. Given both of your combat records also show logistics use, it’s immediately apparent that _neither_ of them can provide an accurate display of your activity. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/77 "2021-07-22T17:56:59Z")
To be fair, pretty sure Mikal’s been way more active in combat than Anabella, especially recent years. Not that that is either here or there regarding what they were saying. _Much_ lower levels of experience than either’s can be enough for an informed opinion, if there’s a functional brain present. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/78 "2021-07-22T17:59:31Z")
True enough. My point was more just that you can’t actually get a reliable indicator of combat experience just by looking at killboards. They tell rather _less_ than even half the tale. ---
**Author:** ![Mikal\_Vektor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikal_vektor/32/267041_2.png) [@Mikal\_Vektor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikal_Vektor)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/79 "2021-07-22T18:01:29Z")
You point out aspects of our relative activities that are not adequately captured in the official record, and conclude that the records are therefore of no use. I find that small beam lasers will not always track fleeing minmatar frigates with aruroa crystals loaded. I suppose this apparent difficulty in anticipating and tracking their desperate movements means that I should disable completely my trajectory analysis algorithms. After all, if something isn’t 100% predictive, it’s 0% useful. Smarm aside, if your pilots talked less and fought more, your other metrics (zero systems held, zero citadels / engineering structures held / zero competent enlisted alliances) might also be better. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/81 "2021-07-22T18:02:42Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > if there’s a functional brain present. There is actual independent evidence of that, let me dig up [the link](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/4084541). ![Figure1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/7/0/1702d8542d1d6c3a25d636661bfea8824d3f6508.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/82 "2021-07-22T18:03:09Z")
> [@Mikal\_Vektor](#): > > your pilots _My_ pilots manage to do both at the same time. But you seem to be assuming I’m part of MinMil. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/83 "2021-07-22T18:05:37Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > But you seem to be assuming I’m part of MinMil. Indeed. Arrendis here is part of Goonswarm, a terrorist nullsec alliance that is marginally more leader-worshipping than TEST, about as inept at not siding with Triglavians, and less honest. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/84 "2021-07-22T18:07:12Z")
It seems apt that the scan appears to show some manner of cerebrovascular dysfunction. ---
**Author:** ![Mikal\_Vektor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikal_vektor/32/267041_2.png) [@Mikal\_Vektor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikal_Vektor)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/85 "2021-07-22T18:07:16Z")
Minmil. Minmil pets. Former Minmil pets. You’re all the same. You show up in rustbuckets and leave as ashes. Its hard to see markings that describe explicit affiliation for the glare of the pulse lasers melting your hulls. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-gift-to-the-empire-and-the-nature-of-the-war/320545/86 "2021-07-22T18:08:56Z")
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