# A hypothesis of Drifter-Jove identity **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011 "2019-04-25T13:45:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/61 "2019-04-29T18:01:36Z")
Yeah, sorry, ‘2Jove’ meaning ‘Second Empire’, so as to differentiate from the Jovian Directorate (‘Jove’.) ---
**Author:** ![Sibylla\_Aldanar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sibylla_aldanar/32/62773_2.png) [@Sibylla\_Aldanar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sibylla_Aldanar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/62 "2019-04-29T21:58:04Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The Jovian Directorate, not the Second Jove Empire, nor even the Third Jovian Empire, were signatories to CONCORD. Just to clarify, the Jove Directorate _ **was** _ the Third Jovian Empire. They are one and the same. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/63 "2019-04-30T02:50:47Z")
Same polity, but they weren’t signatories _as_ the ‘Third Jove Empire’, was my point. ---
**Author:** ![Sibylla\_Aldanar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sibylla_aldanar/32/62773_2.png) [@Sibylla\_Aldanar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sibylla_Aldanar)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/64 "2019-04-30T04:54:22Z")
But the official, legal name of the Third Jove Empire _ **is** _ the Jove Directorate. The Third Jove Empire therefore is a signatory of CONCORD. I don’t understand why a distinction needs to be made there. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/65 "2019-04-30T05:55:26Z")
> [@Sibylla\_Aldanar](#): > > I don’t understand why a distinction needs to be made there. Put bluntly, the distinction needs to be made there because a certain particularly willfully dense individual who was being replied to might have used the lack of clarity and distinction to continue being particularly willfully dense. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/66 "2019-05-09T07:45:41Z")
> [@Sibylla\_Aldanar](#): > > But the official, legal name of the Third Jove Empire _ **is** _ the Jove Directorate. The Third Jove Empire therefore is a signatory of CONCORD. I don’t understand why a distinction needs to be made there. Instead of wasting your time on arguing with someone like Arrendis, think about that: it doesn’t really matter how you call them, they’re Jove. And if Triglavians are right, that would mean the the Drifters _are_ Jove as well. If that is true, then Drifters deserve a seat in CONCORD as well. And for all Jove did for us, it will be honorable if we will help them to fight against Triglavians. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/67 "2019-05-09T10:58:38Z")
I appreciate your obedience to the spirit of the law, rather than the letter, but ask yourself this: What reason do we have, if any, to think the Drifters care even the slightest bit about a seat on CONCORD, even if the laws were stretched/amended to allow them to take the Directorate’s (largely abdicated) position as a CONCORD signatory? As an aside, we’re pretty sure the Triglavians were also Jove, or other members of the Second Empire, and we’re _not_ sure what was going on when they left New Eden, or precisely when. The Triglavians _may_ be just as worthy of the Directorate’s CONCORD seat, and for all we know, they’d be willing to take it if given the option. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/68 "2019-05-09T11:17:21Z")
> [@Aiden\_Vayle](#): > > I appreciate your obedience to the spirit of the law, rather than the letter, but ask yourself this: What reason do we have, if any, to think the Drifters care even the slightest bit about a seat on CONCORD, even if the laws were stretched/amended to allow them to take the Directorate’s (largely abdicated) position as a CONCORD signatory? Oh, most likely they just want to slaughter us all instead of uniting with us, just because even as we speak far-from-the-best portion of capsuleers is still raiding the Sleepers for their “component materials”. And some do even worse, “farming” Drifters directly in their own homes. I guess in order for Drifters to finally decide to talk to us, we need to eliminate our own marauders first. Of course, I am not telling about “surrendering” to them - keeping defensive war, eliminating Drifter assets in our space is essential. We must conduct a professional war. Marauders, who get into wormholes, must be executed. > [@Aiden\_Vayle](#): > > As an aside, we’re pretty sure the Triglavians were also Jove, or other members of the Second Empire, and we’re _not_ sure what was going on when they left New Eden, or precisely when. The Triglavians _may_ be just as worthy of the Directorate’s CONCORD seat, and for all we know, they’d be willing to take it if given the option. Triglavians look to me as deceivers. I’ll just repeat, “Beware of Gallenteans bearing gifts”. They could have the same dangerous personality, first offering you some advances, and then will try to invade and subjugate you. If the idea behind “Tyrannos” is right, it will mean it’s they who are the legal rulers of Jove, not Triglavians. Whether Triglavians deserve CONCORD seat is debatable, but IMHO even if they’re Jove, their seat should be separate from Directorate’s seat. I simply do not trust them and don’t recommend you to do so. Once again, I’ll remind you, that Triglavians made their message not to our proper rulers, but to us, capsuleers, going over our leaderships. That clearly means no good. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/69 "2019-05-09T11:43:47Z")
Perhaps, since none of the Four Empires are Jove, and the Directorate is gone, the Triglavians don’t recognize any leadership in New Eden to be valid? Just a theory. My only worry about your plans to reconcile with the Drifters, however, is the usual one: we have no reason to believe the Drifters are interested in reconciliation or diplomacy. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/70 "2019-05-09T12:27:02Z")
You want a mute corpse to sit on the Concord council? That’s what drifters are,meat puppets.They have no substance or I should say soul. We should support the triglavians in exterminating the drifters.Triglavian ships are not as advanced as drifters should they turn on us it’ll be a more equal fight ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/71 "2019-05-09T13:28:47Z")
My problem with this is that people are advocating joining one side or another in a war we don’t know the cause of, with combatants we know next to nothing about, who are fighting for reasons we have no comprehension of. I propose we defend our regions as best we can, and respond to either side in kind based upon their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/72 "2019-05-09T13:34:53Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > I propose we defend our regions as best we can, and respond to either side in kind based upon their actions. … _without_ reading either hostile **or** non-hostile intent into those actions. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/73 "2019-05-09T13:37:20Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > My problem with this is that people are advocating joining one side or another in a war we don’t know the cause of, with combatants we know next to nothing about, who are fighting for reasons we have no comprehension of. > > I propose we defend our regions as best we can, and respond to either side in kind based upon their actions. The best offer so far! I’ll advocate to be prepared to fight Triglavians if they invade, and to fight off marauders who “farm” Sleepers and -especially- Drifters inside their wormholes. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/74 "2019-05-09T13:46:36Z")
I still think that last bit is a stretch… but if the Triglavians, Drifters, or anyone else should come to the region I call home, and they start picking fights, they’d better be ready to rumble. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/75 "2019-05-09T14:07:01Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > I’ll advocate to be prepared to fight Triglavians if they invade I’m actually wondering if it’s the rogue drones who should get our help in all of this. Are they willingly working with the Triglavians? I believe there is mention of them being ‘suborned’. If these are sentient lifeforms being co-erced somehow into the Triglavians service, how different is that to Sansha suborning humans? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/76 "2019-05-09T14:16:58Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > I’m actually wondering if it’s the rogue drones who should get our help in all of this. ANCESTORS CHOKE, NOPE! They’re abominations, created by Federation and shall be destroyed. Just as their creators. > [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > Are they willingly working with the Triglavians? I believe there is mention of them being ‘suborned’. And that’s really concerning. If these Triglavians don’t want to simply eliminate this menace, they can’t be trusted! > [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > If these are sentient lifeforms being co-erced somehow into the Triglavians service, how different is that to Sansha suborning humans? Humans are Humans. But if you want to be treated as Hobgoblin I, surely, go join one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/77 "2019-05-09T14:17:40Z")
Funny you should mention that- we intercepted transmissions a week or two back that indicate the Triglavians consider the Rogue Drones, at large, to be fully sentient, and will be taking steps to “co-operate” with them, which should mark the end of the Triglavians either suborning or extirpating Rogue Drones. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/78 "2019-05-09T14:22:15Z")
The Talocan were, as far as we know, the oldest and greatest civilization in known space, surpassing even the Second Jove Empire. If they weren’t human, and I don’t think we can be certain that they were, does that make them any less intelligent, any less alive? The Rogue Drones, by the way, probably weren’t the Gallente mistake that their propaganda claims. There’s research by an Amarr scientist that ties them back to the creations of another pre-Jove empire, I believe either the Takmahl or Yan Jung. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/79 "2019-05-09T14:33:30Z")
> [@Aiden\_Vayle](#): > > The Rogue Drones, by the way, probably weren’t the Gallente mistake that their propaganda claims. There’s research by an Amarr scientist that ties them back to the creations of another pre-Jove empire, I believe either the Takmahl or Yan Jung. I do agree with the first part, that they aren’t a mistake as their propaganda claims. But I would stop there without going into area of “ancient aliens”. IMHO Rogue Drones were not a mistake, but purposefully created genocidal machines with tendencies to destruction and freedom. That would match gallentean behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011/80 "2019-05-09T14:33:58Z")
> [@Aiden\_Vayle](#): > > If they weren’t human, and I don’t think we can be certain that they were Absolutely every piece of Talocan technology and evidence we’ve found frames them as 100% human, just like every other spacefaring culture we know about. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-hypothesis-of-drifter-jove-identity/155011.md?page=5)