# A Little Love for the Noctis **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 1, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281 "2018-08-01T14:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/1 "2018-08-01T14:10:04Z")
![256px-Noctis](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/0/00acb810a9bc6002486ea4312cd65250d93cb68e.jpg) This is a ship that is now what the Rorqual use to be… pretty much useless for what it costs… An MTU and a destroyer can outdo this ship anyday for a fraction of the cost. So I propose the following additonal traits: ORE Industrial (per skill level) - 20% Increase to ship’s chance of salvage retrieval - 20% Increase to Salvagers and Salvage Drones Access Difficulty Bonus - +1 to Warp Core Strength OR 10% Reduction to Inertia - 25% Increase to Cargo Hold (Extra room for salvaging structure wrecks) - 75% Increase to Range of Salvagers It would be great to hear your opinion on this, @CCP_Rise🙂 Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gregorius_goldstein/32/11133_2.png) [@Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gregorius_Goldstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/2 "2018-08-01T14:18:17Z")
Love for the Noctis! Make it so! ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/3 "2018-08-01T15:34:02Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > -20% Increase to ship’s chance of salvage retrieval > > -20% Increase to Salvagers and Salvage Drones Access Difficulty Bonus Isn’t that the same? ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/5 "2018-08-01T15:43:27Z")
I don’t believe so but you may be right. Either way, my thought is that should be the best salvager in the game by far from any other ship. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/6 "2018-08-01T15:52:14Z")
No argument here. The points just sound very similar. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/7 "2018-08-01T15:57:33Z")
I’d say yes on the Salvage strength related items, no on the warp strength, cargo hold. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/9 "2018-08-01T16:18:57Z")
After getting opinions elsewhere, it seems that more people preferred the salvager range bonus to all the others I propose. The support was that Havens and other similar sites produce so many wrecks, it takes a long time for tractor beams and MTUs to pull all the wrecks. Although, I definitely see your point. Warp in to a site with 8 tractor beams fitted, deploy mobile depot, tractor in all wrecks, refit to salvagers, and then salvage all wrecks. Thank you for your input on this btw. I greatly appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/10 "2018-08-01T16:23:15Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > it seems that more people preferred the salvager range bonus to all the others I propose Oh I am sure they would, it basically replaces tractor beams. Honestly I don’t see CCP doing this. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/11 "2018-08-01T16:30:14Z")
I’d like to see an increased drone bay for the Noctis so that it can defend itself against a few rats and to open it up to a little bit more than just being a salvage ship. Also, @Arehm_Bukandara, put a space between “-” and “20%” or it just looks weird. With a space in between will it get formatted properly as a list. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/12 "2018-08-01T16:32:21Z")
Done, thanks! 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/13 "2018-08-01T16:32:55Z")
You’ve missed one 🤣 (the 75% at the bottom). ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/14 "2018-08-01T16:49:39Z")
Lol got it ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/15 "2018-08-01T17:58:09Z")
The problem with the noctis is the better you make it the worse it gets. If more people are looting/salvaging and doing it faster then prices go lower. Lower prices and people start to decide looting/salvaging isn’t worth it. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/17 "2018-08-02T13:38:03Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > An MTU and a destroyer I wonder if you ever tryed to go that way. I did. And Noctis + MTU outodes any other salvaging platform. Cargohold can be bigger , yes (2 gone berserk missions and you are out of it), but salvage time bonus plus 5 salvage drones defenetly makes noctis much more effective , than any destroyer. I as really surprised how quicker wrecks are gone… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/18 "2018-08-02T14:25:07Z")
Then don’t use the noctis to scoop loots, use a industrial instead. with inertials stabs + hypers it does not take so long, with only one or two cargohold in the lows you should have enough room. > **nereus loot scooper** > > ``` > [Nereus, *Simulated Nereus] > Inertial Stabilizers II > Inertial Stabilizers II > Expanded Cargohold II > Expanded Cargohold II > Expanded Cargohold II > > Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender > 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive > EM Ward Amplifier II > Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II > Small Cap Battery II > > Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II > Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II > Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II > > ``` 5s align, 7.8 AU/s, 6400 m³, goes 665 m/s if landing too far from the mtu. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/20 "2018-08-02T14:45:59Z")
Not a terrible plan to be honest, and around here that’s a big break from the norm. Noctis’ do get less usage than before, and you are correct that the dessy is the way to go, which does seem a bit off. I’ll agree on changes being necessary, and that your list isn’t the worst set of ideas that could have been presented. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/21 "2018-08-02T14:46:15Z")
I feel like the price of the noctis is too high for what a destroyer can do for an extremely small fraction of the price. Instead of reducing the build requirements, just make it be able to obtain more salvage. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/22 "2018-08-02T15:03:13Z")
The larger cargo hold is more so for salvaging structure wrecks. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/23 "2018-08-02T15:07:14Z")
Do you think the increase to the amount of salvage it can obtain is a good idea? I feel that a ship dedicated to salvaging costing ~80mill should be able to pull at least 2.0-3.0x more salvage than a 2-3 mill isk destroyer. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/24 "2018-08-02T15:08:20Z")
I believe the material requirements for structure rigs will keep those prices in check. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281.md?page=2)