# A Little Love for the Noctis **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 1, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281 "2018-08-01T14:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/46 "2018-08-02T20:48:11Z")
But what role do they even play now? As mentioned, a destoyer and MTU can work fine for lower level missions, while nothing beats a Marauder for full clear in level 4s. A suppose they are usefull for when you first start out doing level 4 mission and are forced to use a BS, but you realatively quickly outgrow it and upship to a Marauder. At levl4s, your Noctis is neither time efficient or durable, rather it is merely a slow moving gank target filled to the brim with goodies. It desperately needs some serious rework to qualify for cost and use in game. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Sakimura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_sakimura/32/382213_2.png) [@ISD\_Sakimura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Sakimura)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/47 "2018-08-02T20:51:09Z")
Yes, that is one of the common uses of the MTUs but if you boil it down to just time-efficiency the Noctis will win hands down in just about every case. I usually run the Noctis with a 4/4 + sebo for faster locking, on a field with about 70 wrecks (0-100km spread) it only takes me around 10min to loot and salvage everything. A MTU would take about 2 min to pull in a single wreck at 120km range, I’d think it takes around 20-25min for the MTU to pull in a similar field. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Sakimura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_sakimura/32/382213_2.png) [@ISD\_Sakimura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Sakimura)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/48 "2018-08-02T20:57:57Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > At levl4s, your Noctis is neither time efficient or durable, rather it is merely a slow moving gank target filled to the brim with goodies. Flying a Noctis is not anymore likely to be a gank target than your dropped MTUs. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/49 "2018-08-02T21:04:59Z")
> [@ISD\_Sakimura](#): > > Yes, that is one of the common uses of the MTUs but if you boil it down to just time-efficiency the Noctis will win hands down in just about every case. > > I usually run the Noctis with a 4/4 + sebo for faster locking, on a field with about 70 wrecks (0-100km spread) it only takes me around 10min to loot and salvage everything. > A MTU would take about 2 min to pull in a single wreck at 120km range, I’d think it takes around 20-25min for the MTU to pull in a similar field. An individual can also do 70 wrecks in a destroyer within 10 minutes if they dropped MTU when they started the site which most people do. I think one thing people here bring up as well is that after using a maruader to run sites, the noctis is a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/50 "2018-08-02T23:43:36Z")
dop a mtu when doing site, wait for ganker to kill it, problem solved \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/51 "2018-08-02T23:56:54Z")
Yes, I read it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/52 "2018-08-03T03:49:58Z")
A sitting Noctis is also an easy target 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/53 "2018-08-03T05:35:23Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > When people run sites, they typically drop a mobile tractor unit and run the next site. After they are done running the next site, the prior site already has all the wrecks pulled in. Which to me, makes the Noctis tractor beam bonuses useless. Then run a level 4 Worlds Collide and tell me how useless that bonus is. It’s usually better to fly a Noctis for that then dropping 5x mtu’s. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/54 "2018-08-03T05:47:49Z")
For the first pocket, with the split gates, if you place the MTU correctly, you can actually tractor in the whole field from Serpentis and Gurista, while you are moving on to the individual rooms dropping a few more MTU’s each time, then go back with the noctis and vacuum everything up… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/55 "2018-08-03T09:39:50Z")
protip ! place your mtus 150+km away. They won’t fight for wrecks and will actually loot twice as fast. You need a mjd+MWD for that, though. Aggro one group, place mtu behind the gate, align toward the other group with mwd on, mjd, keep going untill 155 km from MTU, drop 2nd mtu, blap everything, next gate . And don’t forget to BM one MTU. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/56 "2018-08-03T13:37:19Z")
Thanks, I don’t drop neon signs or cyno beacons at my wrecks whenever I make them to collect later. The Noctis is a ship that can move around. Why not move around and collect wrecks with hypersonic speed tractor beams while moving into position to warp to the next field. Here is a protip from a solo pvper: Sitting still = bad, very bad. In fact, very, very, very bad!! Do not sit still ever but move around because moving targets are more difficult to hit than sitting still victi- erm targets. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/57 "2018-08-03T14:07:11Z")
So I’m guessing you run 4-4 in the high slots on your Noctis? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/58 "2018-08-03T14:09:22Z")
No, it’s 5 to 3 because 5 is 10/2 which is the maximum amount of target locks you can have on the Noctis without any modules and 3 salvagers is enough anyways - they are very hungry. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/59 "2018-08-03T14:19:23Z")
Do you think it should be able to retrieve more salvage than another ship? I mean it does it faster but not anymore than a T1 destroyer or frigate. What is your thought on the cargo expansion attribute for the ability to maximize salvaging structure wrecks? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/60 "2018-08-03T14:24:42Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > I mean it does it faster but not anymore than a T1 destroyer or frigate. That’s not entirely true. A salvager on a Noctis becomes a rapid ancillary salvager and on a destroyer that salvager cycles the regular 10 seconds. > [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > What is your thought on the cargo expansion attribute for the ability to maximize salvaging structure wrecks? I don’t know how those work or what “size” those are, so I have no opinion on that. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/61 "2018-08-03T14:32:50Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > That’s not entirely true. > > A salvager on a Noctis becomes a rapid ancillary salvager and on a destroyer that salvager cycles the regular 10 seconds. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding there. It was meant to come across as they all obtain the same amount of salvage except the Noctis does it faster. For its price and it’s purpose, it should be able to obtain twice as much salvage to make it worth its investment. I think that would make it more formidable to use. ---
**Author:** ![Arehm\_Bukandara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arehm_bukandara/32/80796_2.png) [@Arehm\_Bukandara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arehm_Bukandara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/62 "2018-08-03T15:48:59Z")
Drop an mtu when doing site, wait for ganker to kill it, problem solved \o/ ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/63 "2018-08-05T00:44:11Z")
> [@Arehm\_Bukandara](#): > > An MTU and a destroyer can outdo this ship anyday for a fraction of the cost. Starting from this premise; which is blatantly false, weakens your argument. That is, unless you are horrible at being a noctis pilot, in which case the problem is you and not the noctis. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-little-love-for-the-noctis/94281/64 "2018-11-03T00:44:20Z")
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