# A message to the Triglavians from Raravoss

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484>\
**Category:** Intergalactic Summit\
**Tags:** roleplay, amarr, pochven\
**Created:** [April 3, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484 "2022-04-03T18:33:02Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 9\
**Page:** 2

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**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/21 "2022-04-12T00:43:42Z")

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> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#):
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> PIE is on record actively supporting Ms. Kley’s unauthorized, self-appointed status as “Holder” of Raravoss!

We are “on record”, are we? How interesting, given that we have made no such statement.

The Chapter as a whole actively supports Paladin Kley’s anti-Triglavian campaign on Raravoss, and will continue to do so, but we have made no statement either way on her claim. We also fully expect that she will drop her claim if a properly appointed Sarum Holder to replace the traitor arrives in system, or if Raravoss is successfully brought back under Imperial control.

As for the rest, the logic you display here is reductionist garbage. There is no comparison between the empty Holdership created by the Coward of Raravoss’s disgraceful defection and the glorious Sacred Throne of the Holy Amarr Empire, which has been filled by a rightful Emperor for millenia.

The problem with the Heretic’s nonsense is not the claim that an empty throne can be filled, but rather their utterly evil and absurd claim that the Sacred Throne has been empty since the reign of the Blessed Heideran.

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**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/22 "2022-04-12T03:11:30Z")

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> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#):
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> We are “on record”, are we? How interesting, given that we have made no such statement.

Cutting it pretty fine, aren’t you? You said it in this very thread:

> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#):
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> Holdership is a claim on land. The people who _live_ on that land are included as subjects of the Holder, but it is first, and foremost, a claim on territory. Paladin Oneski-Kley is effectively claiming both the right to command every loyal Amarr still in Raravoss and the right to enslave or kill all rebels and invaders that exist in said Amarr territory.
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> I pray for the success of Paladin Oniseki-Kley’s efforts to liberate the Holding of Raravoss from the vile invaders.

You gave a lecture on the meaning of Holdership and immediately followed it with an unreserved statement of hope for her success. Only a barrister parsing participles would argue otherwise.

> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#):
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> As for the rest, the logic you display here is reductionist garbage.

No Gavin dear, it was _goading._ And it worked–because you know the hypocrisy just as well as I do. The knife only draw blood where the weak flesh is exposed.

I do not envy you. You set yourself an impossible standard–unquestioning subservience to a corrupted empire. But neither do I have any pity for you.

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**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/23 "2022-04-12T03:18:35Z")

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> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#):
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> Only a barrister parsing participles would argue otherwise.

I am amused that none of the key words you failed to parse were participles.

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**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/24 "2022-04-12T03:25:38Z")

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> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#):
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> I am amused that none of the key words you failed to parse were participles.

True, but you know how Ni-Kunni feel about alliteration. It’s _irresistable!_🙂

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**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/25 "2022-04-12T07:50:21Z")

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> [@Arrendis](#):
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> Once you were no longer useful patsies, yes.

Scrolling through this thread a bit too quickly, I initially misread this as “pasties”. You know, the things that exotic dancers use to cover their protuberances.

And then I had a rather unwelcome mental image of Zorya Triglav wearing little Galms as pasties to cover her bazongas.

So I decided to post and mention this, because why should I be the only one to suffer ?

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**Author:** ![Henrik\_Suzaku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/henrik_suzaku/32/358060_2.png) [@Henrik\_Suzaku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Henrik_Suzaku)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/26 "2022-04-17T03:02:55Z")

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Fight well, brave paladin.

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**Author:** ![Raven\_Moore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raven_moore/32/464693_2.png) [@Raven\_Moore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raven_Moore)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/27 "2022-04-18T11:17:38Z")

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**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/28 "2022-04-18T13:35:23Z")

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This ■■■■ will be happening again endlessly until the occupied stars are invader free.

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**Author:** ![system1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system1)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-message-to-the-triglavians-from-raravoss/356484/29 "2022-07-17T13:36:07Z")

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