# A mistake made and speaking in the height of anger **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940 "2017-09-12T21:37:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![cherry\_blood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_blood/32/154603_2.png) [@cherry\_blood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cherry_blood)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/262 "2017-09-13T05:33:48Z")
I can’t do proper research cause idgaf where gigx is from are the laws that diferent from north and south austrailia? are you sure austrailia isn’t really korea in hiding? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/263 "2017-09-13T05:35:29Z")
> [@GoldSnake](#): > > We’re past being space lawyers, son, we’re to the point of pointing out that someone like yourself should understand the situation in that his threats were threats, made across multiple platforms and adhere to the very writing provided. You call yourself an expert in law, but you seem to be ignoring the job that you claim to do. Quote where I have called myself an expert in law? I haven’t. I have said, one more time: we are all equally incompetent on matters of the law and talking about laws being broken is stupid, unless you can offer a qualified opinion (you in the general sense, not you specifically). I am incompetent in matters of enforcing or prosecuting the law. No more competent than anyone else here, who are all equally incompetent and unable to offer anything more than a layman’s view; and that has no value. The EULA was broken and that is all that should be discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/264 "2017-09-13T05:37:31Z")
> [@cherry\_blood](#): > > are you sure austrailia isn’t really korea in hiding? Well, that’s something I think we are all able to make clear and having spent a lot of time in South Korea, I have no issue at all with our societies being compared. They are wonderful people. > [@cherry\_blood](#): > > that is just a citation used to reference precedent. I thought you worked in law? No, I didn’t write that at all and ‘reference precendent’, what? What precedent was referenced? ---
**Author:** ![cherry\_blood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_blood/32/154603_2.png) [@cherry\_blood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cherry_blood)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/265 "2017-09-13T05:39:22Z")
I certainly hope you’re not a court appointed attorney if I ever have the need for one. ---
**Author:** ![Inara\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inara_kane/32/474912_2.png) [@Inara\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inara_Kane)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/266 "2017-09-13T05:39:59Z")
Okay, this is getting out of hand. The legality of it in whatever jurisdiction literally does not matter. It’s like breaking a forum rule. Legally I have the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, but on CCP’s forums I’m bound by their much more limited rules and the rules I agreed to when posting. The legality only matters if Judge decides to sue, and at that point it’ll be out of the hands of space lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/267 "2017-09-13T05:40:02Z")
> [@cherry\_blood](#): > > I certainly hope you’re not a court appointed attorney if I ever have the need for one. Just read above. You’ll see the answer to that pretty clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/268 "2017-09-13T05:40:34Z")
> [@Inara\_Kane](#): > > Okay, this is getting out of hand. The legality of it in whatever jurisdiction literally does not matter. It’s like breaking a forum rule. Legally I have the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, but on CCP’s forums I’m bound by their much more limited rules and the rules I agreed to when posting. > > The legality only matters if Judge decides to sue, and at that point it’ll be out of the hands of space lawyers. This exactly. ---
**Author:** ![cherry\_blood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_blood/32/154603_2.png) [@cherry\_blood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cherry_blood)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/269 "2017-09-13T05:41:56Z")
sorry I thought you might have goals to move up in the world. I guess not being a professional is totally your plan. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/270 "2017-09-13T05:43:18Z")
> [@cherry\_blood](#): > > sorry I thought you might have goals to move up in the world. I guess not being a professional is totally your plan. Wow. That’s just ridiculous. I don’t have any desire to be a lawyer. No. They aren’t the only profession, nor the only career where people can act professionally. ---
**Author:** ![GoldSnake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/goldsnake/32/461034_2.png) [@GoldSnake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GoldSnake)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/271 "2017-09-13T05:43:23Z")
Except, you have no rights over the internet. Saying you have the freedom of speech is true anywhere, but that doesn’t mean what you say will or cannot be held against you. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/272 "2017-09-13T05:44:52Z")
> [@GoldSnake](#): > > Except, you have no rights over the internet. > > Saying you have the freedom of speech is true anywhere, but that doesn’t mean what you say will or cannot be held against you. Luckily no one has claimed any of that, so we are all good? Inara stated her First Amendment right under the US constitution, but made it clear that her right doesn’t extend to CCP’s IP and platforms. ---
**Author:** ![Myrddin\_Calyx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/myrddin_calyx/32/177242_2.png) [@Myrddin\_Calyx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Myrddin_Calyx)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/273 "2017-09-13T05:48:10Z")
unfortunately for you, this is CCP’s sandbox and they, not you, get to decide who can come in. this isn’t gigx’ fist time making real life threats in EVE but it certainly is his last. ---
**Author:** ![Pestilen\_Ratte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pestilen_ratte/32/42087_2.png) [@Pestilen\_Ratte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pestilen_Ratte)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/274 "2017-09-13T05:49:13Z")
> [@cherry\_blood](#): > > the fact that in most of the civilized world his threats indicate a law is broken. Fiddlesticks. The idea that sticks and stones can break your bones and so can words is NOT a fact in most of the “civilized world”. gigx may or may not have conspired to commit GBH (there is not eveidence so far), but he did not commit assault. Assault requires proximity. You’ll note that is true in both Australia and in Serbia. This is because it is common sense. You can’t spend vast sums of money on court cases because some snowflake who spends all day winding people up gets yelled at. Or, rather, you can, but then you get vast state debt, rampant dishonesty in government, and eventually Trump. This whole debate about criminal law is hysterical. It is being raised by folks who wouldn’t know, who have no qualifications in law. The bottom line is that gigx should be banned, but so should thejudge. In fact, both alliances and all the corps who belong to them should be dissolved and assets confiscated. Not as a matter of law, but of standards of conduct. gigx has hardly brought honour and glory to CCP, but what thejudge did was far, far worse. That entity used a position of supposed trust and representation to maliciously, and with aforethought, get another player banned. That conduct is disgraceful and has already brought the game and the community into disrepute. Any staff involved in the episode who fail to demonstrate transparent neutrality and concern for fair play should also be dismissed. It’s not hard. ---
**Author:** ![Myrddin\_Calyx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/myrddin_calyx/32/177242_2.png) [@Myrddin\_Calyx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Myrddin_Calyx)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/275 "2017-09-13T05:49:40Z")
the first amendment protects you from censorship _by the government_, champ. it doesn’t forbid private, international businesses from censoring speech on the channels they own. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/276 "2017-09-13T05:49:41Z")
> [@Myrddin\_Calyx](#): > > unfortunately for you, this is CCP’s sandbox and they, not you, get to decide who can come in. Unfortunately for me how? I am not defending gigx and CCP are within their rights to punish him how they see fit. I don’t agree with the punishment they have chosen, but it’s still their choice that matters and they are perfectly right to choose how they see fit. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/277 "2017-09-13T05:50:20Z")
> [@Myrddin\_Calyx](#): > > the first amendment protects you from censorship by the government, champ. it doesn’t forbid private, international businesses from censoring speech on the channels they own. Isn’t that what she said? This place is worse than whispers. ---
**Author:** ![Myrddin\_Calyx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/myrddin_calyx/32/177242_2.png) [@Myrddin\_Calyx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Myrddin_Calyx)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/278 "2017-09-13T05:51:06Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > This place is worse than whispers. much like your posting ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/279 "2017-09-13T05:51:48Z")
> [@Myrddin\_Calyx](#): > > much like your posting So yes, it’s what she said, or no, she said something else? ---
**Author:** ![Myrddin\_Calyx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/myrddin_calyx/32/177242_2.png) [@Myrddin\_Calyx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Myrddin_Calyx)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/280 "2017-09-13T05:52:24Z")
no, i said your posting is terrible ---
**Author:** ![cherry\_blood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_blood/32/154603_2.png) [@cherry\_blood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cherry_blood)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940/281 "2017-09-13T05:52:27Z")
a threat is one level, and assault is the next level. are you sure there is no mention of threats in either country? so it’s okay to say I want to kill my wife, then call her coworkers to find out where she is in both countries? if so that blows my mind - if not your views on assault are the wrong information relating to said offense. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-mistake-made-and-speaking-in-the-height-of-anger/23940.md?page=15)